Whats the current speculation for classic car prices?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

I'd rather buy a 1973 or earlier Lincoln Continental coupe with the 460ci.

Make sure you get a matching purple suit and nice cane to go with it too

[Jack91]

I finally made a purchase.
Didnt really clean up on this one, but i could get out of it in the clear if i needed to thanks to a 15k price reduction on what was already a pretty reasonable price.
Its definitly a buyers market at the moment. And if the mrs hadnt fallen totally in love with the car aswell i think i couldve sunk the heels in and got another 5k off it, although at the risk of losing it.

[fordomatic]

Saw a manual EL GT go up for 45k this evening for quick sale. It sold within the hour.

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by Jack91

This is sort of the problem.
People make weird connections to this.
They think that a really bad shell of an xy 6cyl falcon 500 MUST be worth 20k because its the same thing in their mind.
Probably the most frustrating thing you always see with aussie muscle is the genius that blows apart a good car over a weekend, strips the paint off it with a grinder, then puts it outside for a year and loses/sells/breaks all the hard to get parts. Then they reckon theyve done you a favour by doing "most of the hard work". "Just needs floors" etc. And the good old "too many projects, dont have time" when its obvious they ran out of talent and cant work out how to put it back together.

Another good one I always see with rust buckets is 'easy fix'

Cool, fix it then and I'll buy it. You never hear from them again

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by ToryMikey

Still spewing about the $3500 manual EF XR8 in Heritage Green that I passed up in 2015. Because why would I waste my money on cars that were only going to depreciate. I love you Mum but that's the worst advice I've ever been given!

Haha, the regret will only get worse.

In the 80's I was looking at buying a XY GT HO Ph3, the car was sitting in storage on blocks in mint condition in a 'wog' mansion in Greystanes. Asking price was $20,000ono, the Greek guy that owned it had just retired and was going to Greece.

I was single, earning almost drug money working at Clyde Oil refinery, had the cash sitting in my bank account and then some.

My father went mental, 'why would you buy a 20K rust bucket' (his words not mine, there was no rust). Even though I was an adult I respected his opinion and bought a Mazda 323 instead.

[FairmontGS]

I've got two GT-Fs confirmed as sold to mates in the late $80s, early $90s now.

[Hulsty]

Originally Posted by ToryMikey

Still spewing about the $3500 manual EF XR8 in Heritage Green that I passed up in 2015. Because why would I waste my money on cars that were only going to depreciate. I love you Mum but that's the worst advice I've ever been given!

Back in 2003ish I'd been working a couple of years and had a reasonable 1st car daily and some cash in the bank, started looking at cars, XY GT Replicas and V8 Torana Replicas all in the 7k range, Dads only advice was get whatever you want as long as it is legitimate (ie not replica), ended up with my unrestored Valiant Pacer Hardtop and still driving it these days with my son, turned out to be decent advice.

[fordomatic]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

I've got two GT-Fs confirmed as sold to mates in the late $80s, early $90s now.

That's a sign of the current market for sure. Things will get worse in that price bracket as well I think.

[Rob 351]

After watching the latest auction on grays online last night, I now have to agree, the classic car market has crashed. There is no money anywhere atm and understandably considering what is going on in our country atm.. Just about every car going up on the auctions atm are not only not making reserve, they are not getting anywhere near reserve…..
Great time to buy I guess…..

[fordomatic]

It’s definitely tanked but sellers don’t seem to be desperate….. yet

[fgpsi]

Still riding the covid dildo

[Jack91]

Originally Posted by fordomatic

It’s definitely tanked but sellers don’t seem to be desperate….. yet

I talked with a lot of sellers, made good offers etc, one bloke said "I agree its crashed, but most people with high dollar classics dont need the money".
A fair point and the exact attitude i came up against multiple times.

[Jack91]

Originally Posted by Rob 351

After watching the latest auction on grays online last night, I now have to agree, the classic car market has crashed. There is no money anywhere atm and understandably considering what is going on in our country atm.. Just about every car going up on the auctions atm are not only not making reserve, they are not getting anywhere near reserve…..
Great time to buy I guess…..

Im not sure but i dont think they charge if it doesnt sell, so theyll just run it through again and again. That is what i seen anyway. Same crap over and over again.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by Jack91

I talked with a lot of sellers, made good offers etc, one bloke said "I agree its crashed, but most people with high dollar classics dont need the money".
A fair point and the exact attitude i came up against multiple times.

Yes so you need to find the seller that is holding on for no good reason, a bloke selling one of multiple cars sitting in the shed probably doesnt care much.

Cars are the start, it will be interesting to see where this all goes but people for the moment seem to be hanging on. I dont know how in some cases.

[LoBelly]

At a macro level trends here generally lag the US by several months unless there is some sort of economic shock happening in one place or the other

Hagerty publishes its data, and articles on their data, explaining the phenomenon they're seeing - worth a read I think

https://www.hagerty.com/media/market...uanced-market/

https://www.hagerty.com/media/market...often-further/

[fgpsi]

some dude on car sales wants almost 200k for a ba typhoon with over 100,000kms

[Rallye Sport]

Originally Posted by Jack91

most people with high dollar classics dont need the money.

^This all day long^
Most of the enthusiasts I know don't spend any time worrying about the perceived value of their cars, they own them outright and are just busy enjoying them for what they are, a piece of nostalgia and escapism.

For me parts have slowed down alot. I had a stocktake and clearout recently. I listed up a heap of hard to find Cortina GT stuff at cheap prices (I'm happy to help out others with projects)
I haven't had a single bite on things that would have flown out the door a couple of years ago. I'm also noticing alot of other bits sitting online for weeks or until the ads presumably expire.

[adriantillin]

All I know is that whatever decision I take (buy or sell), the market goes in the opposite direction 😂

Cheers Adrian

[HIPO]

I see with the stale market here, sending good American examples back to the U.S. is happening, even with the huge shipping-insurance cost involved.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by HIPO

I see with the stale market here, sending good American examples back to the U.S. is happening, even with the huge shipping-insurance cost involved.

I note your new Mustang, no more Torino's ??

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by ToryMikey

Still spewing about the $3500 manual EF XR8 in Heritage Green that I passed up in 2015. Because why would I waste my money on cars that were only going to depreciate. I love you Mum but that's the worst advice I've ever been given!

Haha, that's nothing, I still think about the XY GT HO, I was 19 and working in the oil refinery earning crazy $$ living at home, Had just crashed / written off an XB GS Coupe (not my fault) and was looking for a car.

Looked at a GT HO owned by a Greek bloke wanting to sell for 20K, I had the cash in the bank, dad said you are not bringing another shoebox into the house. Get a proper car, so I ended up buying a Mazda 323 to keep dad happy.

[HIPO]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

I note your new Mustang, no more Torino's ??

Yep he's gone!

[Syndrome]

*bump*

Things have changed since the last post in this thread. I see a lot of cars not moving:

https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/?q=....))&sort=~Year

[fordomatic]

Market has tanked even worse and I think it will go down even more yet. Most cars that are selling are back to 2019 prices.

[Franco Cozzo]

Thats what happens when the economy is absolutely cooked, there's lots of job losses, and cost of living is through the roof, all the disposable income dries up quick smart.

But its a two speed economy, there's still cash out there but maybe those cars don't appeal to the cohort with the coin to spend.

[Citroënbender]

Yes, I was grounded this afternoon by RokWiz on an HQ project; apparently worth a fraction of what they’ve previously fetched.

[Jack91]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

*bump*

Things have changed since the last post in this thread. I see a lot of cars not moving:

https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/?q=....))&sort=~Year

I only looked at the first page and apart from 1 gt, they're all nothing cars up for something car money.

I put my dodge up for 140k.
It's not worth that.
But considering that worse ones than mine are up for that, that's what I have to ask for mine. And that's also how you get to a crappy xk wagon for $40k. I think prices will stay similar for the big dollar stuff, in my life I've never seen a huge flop in proper US muscle, but I think the stuff you linked, people will either keep them or be forced to halve their prices. Especially on the stuff like compact fairlanes and 6cyl falcon 500s. Keep in mind that carsales is the worst possible metric to go by on anything slightly outside a corolla or rav4. You pay exorbitant money for an ad that yields no reward, so why not keep it up there for stupid money indefinitely? I couldn't count how many times I've seen the same car with a 10/20/30% price difference between Facebook marketplace and carsales.

Sort of related, we have a really nice landcruiser that was my partners car, but since she and I both have work cars it sits around doing nothing at all for months at a time. We finally decided to let it go to free up some space (it was nice to have a spare car for us or family), we tried to sell it and after a month or 2 the asking price and offers got down to the point we decided to just pay the loan out and keep it sitting there with the battery disconnected. Not worth selling for that much.



I've seen a few big dollar mopars disappear in the last 3 months (in aus), dunno if they sold or not but I'd assume so.

Fwiw there's really not much variety for sale either in the usa or here for the hero cars. Autotempest is 1/3rd to 1/2 what it was 18 months ago and the prices haven't moved. Weird.
I seen a guy on the xa/b/c coupe group a couple weeks back asking for a non-basket case car for sub 100k and he got blasted. Also, bit weird. I coulda sworn 12 months ago that wouldve got you a driver pretty easy.

[fordomatic]

Originally Posted by Jack91

I only looked at the first page and apart from 1 gt, they're all nothing cars up for something car money.

I put my dodge up for 140k.
It's not worth that.
But considering that worse ones than mine are up for that, that's what I have to ask for mine. And that's also how you get to a crappy xk wagon for $40k. I think prices will stay similar for the big dollar stuff, in my life I've never seen a huge flop in proper US muscle, but I think the stuff you linked, people will either keep them or be forced to halve their prices. Especially on the stuff like compact fairlanes and 6cyl falcon 500s. Keep in mind that carsales is the worst possible metric to go by on anything slightly outside a corolla or rav4. You pay exorbitant money for an ad that yields no reward, so why not keep it up there for stupid money indefinitely? I couldn't count how many times I've seen the same car with a 10/20/30% price difference between Facebook marketplace and carsales.

Sort of related, we have a really nice landcruiser that was my partners car, but since she and I both have work cars it sits around doing nothing at all for months at a time. We finally decided to let it go to free up some space (it was nice to have a spare car for us or family), we tried to sell it and after a month or 2 the asking price and offers got down to the point we decided to just pay the loan out and keep it sitting there with the battery disconnected. Not worth selling for that much.



I've seen a few big dollar mopars disappear in the last 3 months (in aus), dunno if they sold or not but I'd assume so.

Fwiw there's really not much variety for sale either in the usa or here for the hero cars. Autotempest is 1/3rd to 1/2 what it was 18 months ago and the prices haven't moved. Weird.
I seen a guy on the xa/b/c coupe group a couple weeks back asking for a non-basket case car for sub 100k and he got blasted. Also, bit weird. I coulda sworn 12 months ago that wouldve got you a driver pretty easy.

That guy is a mate that got blasted for asking about a clean matching numbers manual coupe, told he wouldn’t find one for 100k and everyone was into him. They all said he needed 150k minimum. He got multiple private messages from people wanting to sell.

Jokes on them because he did find one, a matching numbers, factory Manual, Fairmont coupe.

Bargains are out there for people who are in the right place at the right time and sellers who need money asap.

[swamp]

hi
Remember the over inflated average quality panel work in Australia .
How can someone charge premium $ for a full resto thats not been part soda blast or fully sipped especially if rust was present !!!

Or at bare minimum body photos before/after

Majority of old euro car are fully dipped yet Holden and ford nope ...

[Jack91]

Originally Posted by fordomatic

That guy is a mate that got blasted for asking about a clean matching numbers manual coupe, told he wouldn’t find one for 100k and everyone was into him. They all said he needed 150k minimum. He got multiple private messages from people wanting to sell.

Jokes on them because he did find one, a matching numbers, factory Manual, Fairmont coupe.

Bargains are out there for people who are in the right place at the right time and sellers who need money asap.

Good.
I thought that would happen. I was going to chime in but theres 2 or 3 blokes on that page that jump right down anyone's throat who dares to question a price.
I've got into it with the bloke that runs it a couple of times, and it just goes nowhere.
Dunno why they think a beat factory 6 coupe with bogged up sills and quarters can pull the same money as a nice chevelle/camaro/torino but they do.

He should screenshot his messages and post them to the group.
That would definitely ruffle some feathers