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01-03-2018, 11:38 AM | #31 | |||
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a) Yes; "many years ago' and when I joined in the 1970's there were severe efficiency issues. But remember in those day many managers had left school in grade 7 and/or were promoted on the basis of their war service. But with higher standards of recruitment (mostly University graduates) and professionalism this has changed considerably. b) Efficiency was often a related to agency size and goals. Small agencies were always more efficient as everyone knew what was going on, staff resources were scarce and there were common understood goals. Stable agencies with clear goals where all staff believed that they making the world a better place (e.g. Fisheries) were generally more efficient (more committed staff) than the more politically volatile agencies where policy changes were frequent and politically driven and there was always some uncertainty about if its activities and outcomes were really going to make the world a better place. c) My experience in working in large multi nationals was that they were just as bureaucratic and as inefficient as any large Government department. Size and similar accountability issues seems to create these issues. I also found in medium sized private companies I worked in (around 40 staff) a high level of cronyism and employing of unproductive deadwood relatives and friends. d) Fortunately the inefficient, incompetent and obstructive are now a small minority in the State Public Service and other staff soon work out how to work around them. However, it may be going downhill again soon as I do think the EEO requirements that no longer require staff over 65 is now an issue. There are people I know in the public service that have declined in performance, and even become obstructive, with age and should be retired. Unfortunately they are probably ineligible for the current redundancies and may stay on while younger staff that are perhaps more efficient and effective take the money and run off to another job. People do get sacked for being incompetent or inefficient from time to time but as I soon learnt you have to do it fairly immediately; once they have been around for any length of time you tend to be stuck with them.
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01-03-2018, 11:52 AM | #32 | |||
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No, I echo Nigel Farage sentiments when he said that bureaucrats have never created a single job in their working lives. If you can't cut it in business, commerce or trade there's always the public sector that will take you.
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01-03-2018, 01:16 PM | #34 | ||
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So back on topic. What particular speed limit changes of those specific roads and streets listed does anyone believe is unjustified and why?
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01-03-2018, 01:47 PM | #35 | ||
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The discussion is yet to stray off topic. It isn't simply a matter of the specific streets mentioned, it's the fact that essentially nameless people are making far reaching decisions on behalf of the community, not limited to but including (mostly) unjustified reductions of posted limits. They make these decisions based on the pressure from stupid interest groups (yes stupid and not special, because of people like Harold Scruby), wanting to be seen as doing something and basically propagating the govco mantra of speed kills...
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01-03-2018, 01:54 PM | #36 | ||
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Good thing nobody lives in WA I guess.
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01-03-2018, 02:05 PM | #37 | ||
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I think throwing slanderous remarks at public servants in general is off topic. Many teachers, nurses, engineers, scientist and other public servants are very committed and many often work in arduous conditions and/or work excess hours with little recognition or adequate reward. Many also choose to work in the public service because of a desire to serve the public and make the world a better place despite the fact the that they have to put up with this sort of unfounded and unfair derision. And they are not in a position to defend themselves against these unfair criticisms and they are generally prohibited from making public comments in regard to to the agencies the work for. In any event, at the end of the day the performance and actions of Government agencies is a reflection of the legislation enacted by the Parliament elected by all and the elected and electing are equally responsible. I think it's actually cowardly to attack public servants as they are unable to defend themselves; if you must attack the politicians as they are allowed to respond albeit they may also choose to hide behind the public servants and deny any responsibility.
Nobody has yet suggested an alternative fair, scientific. workable and democratic method of setting the speed limits but are happy to throw crap at those just doing their job probably very professionally and inline with world standards. And I suspect if we investigated the list we would find most changes were in response to submissions by local councils that in turn were responding to local residents concerns.
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I might sound like I am rather vocal and disgruntled with public servants in the bureaucracy, it is because I am. I was in that mix for long enough to realise that the one constant in pubeland is infinite inertia and a lot of smeg, a place where brains are checked in at the door and sometimes not picked up at the end of the day.
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01-03-2018, 02:57 PM | #39 | ||
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"...sometimes not picked up at the end of the day."
Replace "sometimes" with "usually" and we're cooking with gas Donald. |
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01-03-2018, 03:19 PM | #40 | ||
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Southern River is mostly new housing estate now. Obviously the limit was going to be dropped. Surprised it was 110 anyway. Usually that is reserved for the freeway or roads out in the sticks.
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01-03-2018, 03:27 PM | #41 | ||
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Nothing to do with bloody safety.... money hungry bassterds,they need to pay cut those useless parliament clowns and make them actually work for their pay... instead they try and scab speed fine money off regular joe by road safety speed limit dropping,what a joke.
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01-03-2018, 05:02 PM | #42 | |||
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There’s nothing the government does that couldn’t be done by the private sector cheaper, and more effectively. Government has lost it’s function, it’s too big, employs to many people (note I don’t mention the word ‘work’) and is a drain to the tax payer. The recent report into government management of projects in WA serves to demonstrate the utter incompetence of government bureaucrats ability to make sound financial decisions, or perhaps even more, any sound decisions.
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01-03-2018, 05:45 PM | #43 | |||
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The problem then becomes, how does the community reconcile the sole objective for private enterprise (profit) with delivering said service better and more efficiently than it ever was under govco control...
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01-03-2018, 05:49 PM | #44 | |||
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See the actual report here https://publicsector.wa.gov.au/sites...s_volume_1.pdf and read at least the findings on page 65 onwards.
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01-03-2018, 05:56 PM | #45 | |||
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01-03-2018, 06:02 PM | #46 | |||
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There is a school zone I pass all the time that drops from 70km/h to 40kmh for 3 hours a day. I have passed this school at 40kmh a couple of hundred times I have probably seen kids around less than 10 times. It's a tiny school plus most parents pick up on the residential street behind the school which makes sense. I would happily slow to 25 if it were only when kids were around. |
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02-03-2018, 02:50 PM | #47 | |||
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It's a built up area these days with shops etc along it. 80 is sensible, give it time and it will be 60.
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02-03-2018, 03:34 PM | #48 | ||
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The major WA metro speed limit change was a sly undertaking by a former Labor Government when a couple of weeks after re election, Michelle Roberts announced that the speed limit for all roads in the Metro area would now be 50kph unless otherwise indicated. No prior indication this was on the table.
There's no problems with this being applicable for all the mini streets in many new suburbs being developed where even Noddy would have had trouble traversing but totally ridiculous for the many older established outer suburbs where many could even be more than 60kph but are now 50kph. An absolute joke and typical Labor. |
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02-03-2018, 03:59 PM | #49 | ||
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Apart from the obvious fatigue/speed/alcohol factors, driver distraction is the next biggest factor in accidents. The government continues to roll out the same useless approaches every so often, generally when the road toll stats increase annually. If we keep on building cars with communication centres in them, then it normalises multi-tasking behind the wheel. The only solution is to BAN PHONES IN CARS. When I got my license, mobile phones were like a car battery with a full sized handset on top. My point is, we all survived, our businesses ran fine and when you were in your car, the biggest distraction was the stereo if you had one..I can't understand that anybody thinks driving requires less than 100% of your attention, whilst sober, and the powers that be allow us to drink and drive to a point, and a slap on the wrist for using a handset. Bring on the day where in order to progress to your P plates, you must complete an advanced driving course. Real world demonstrations of how little control you have in a car when traction is lost, the distance covered when distracted and all the usual driving lessons involved. I can't think of any negatives associated with a programme designed around safety & awareness. The current system is majorly flawed in my opinion and the only way to change peoples attitudes is to get them at the start of their driving life. Stuffing around with the speed limits, does nothing but offer opportunity for HWP to cash in on confused drivers.
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02-03-2018, 04:18 PM | #50 | ||
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I think it's like Aussiblue said, we make the laws, me and you. The majority must want lower speed limits..... You are a slow lot over there. I had a bit of a giggle about " when children present"; They're children, they can be there 24/7.
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There's a big knock for Advanced driving courses. Apparently they give some drivers a touch too much confidence. |
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02-03-2018, 04:36 PM | #52 | ||
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Double demerits this weekend, wonder if the changes will catch anyone out.
All good here the only one I use regularly has gone up by ten k's... good times.
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02-03-2018, 04:40 PM | #53 | |||
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03-03-2018, 01:57 PM | #55 | ||
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I get that but there will always be 'idiots' on the roads so I would rather be sharing the road with an idiot with some understanding of when and how a car loses traction, than not. The idea is to educate all drivers, just like we do now, but give them a broader skill set. The 'idiot' may force another driver to do something drastic, and if that happens, that advanced course maybe the thing that saves them & avoids them hitting others.
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Government policies indicate speed limits 'should' be set using the 85th percentile as a criteria; it's patently clear this is not the case. We're at the mercy of some unelected, knuckle dragging bureaucrat, who could never cut it in the private sector, making decisions for the masses. Disgraceful.
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Very soon it's going to carry all the traffic on the perth-darwin hwy extension through ellenbrook.
It's going to be a car park.
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Let's see, from where I am in the swan valley it should take 20 minutes less travelling time to get to Kewdale/Welshpool than it currently takes. It will tie in well with the recent Gateway project.
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Yeah it will be interesting.
I know a lot of people up my way are looking forward to using it. I only really go to Hillary's or Scarborough so it's still back roads for me.
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