2014 Chevrolet SS Dealer Allocation Limited to Less Than 1,000 Cars

[Cuyper]

NASCAR will sell it, if you don't think there's a few thousand rednecks out there with a heap of cash willing to buy one then you just haven't been to to the states

[Moby Vic]

NASCAR isn't as popular as it was a few years ago.

I just read today that the projected base price is $45,500 here. That's a bit steep for a Chevy sedan.

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

What r u talking about....7-10k. They'll be lucky to get 5000 imported so how they gunna sell a car thats not even in a third of the showrooms over there.
And don't compare gm to ford aus.....we limited the stocks for a good reason....we're in a tiny struggling restricted market........they have no excuses ....they have piles of bail out money to fund their ventures.

They might be sending only 5K in year one (the might not be, some here are saying much less), but the deal is longer than just 1 year. Look at the cop car thing, which had a very very slow start, but it doing good numbers now (by Australia production levels, but still very small at US levels). I think there is hope of getting to 7K-ish per year in future years.

Also, if inventory control is good management for a tiny struggling market, it is even MORE important for a bigger market that has the potential to create bigger financial damage!! Good company policies are good no matter what the size of the business!!

[burnz]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I'm surprised GM don't want thousands of them sitting around dealerships not selling, they do it with every other thing they build. They have over 750,000 unsold vehicles filing dealer lots in the US.

The obviously learnt nothing from their bankruptcy.

so they have two month worth of stock!

fomoco has how many months of stock?

[UberKnee]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

I know they had plans to offer a car cheaper to america with more features then in the country its built as a big **** you to the local populace then rail road the government into more money to keep there bad business practices afloat but hey long as some drongo in elizbeth has a job

Everythings cheaper in America. If you tried to sell a Clubsport spec Commodore in America for $80,000 you'd go broke fast. Top of the range Trucks sell for $50k. Same with top of the range Mustangs, Camaro's, you can buy a Corvette, M5, AMG C63, etc. for much cheaper than $80k.

[malazn mafia]

With all the non-ford automotive threads coming up these days (which is not a bad thing and nobody's fault) and the departure of Ford Australia, perhaps fordforums.com.au should become auscarforums.com.au instead.

[Moby Vic]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

With all the non-ford automotive threads coming up these days (which is not a bad thing and nobody's fault) and the departure of Ford Australia, perhaps fordforums.com.au should become auscarforums.com.au instead.

You don't think there will be any Ford fans or sufficient Ford vehicles remaining to be discussed after 2016?

[TC200six]

Originally Posted by Moby Vic

I just read today that the projected base price is $45,500 here. That's a bit steep for a Chevy sedan.

I believe that's a luxury car price tag over there. For a vehicle that's used as a fleet car in its entry form over here, no matter what kind of car they market it as, the Commodore is not a true luxury car. It's sort of being an imposter.

[Moby Vic]

Not exactly luxury, but not cheap. It's like $10K more than a Mustang GT or Camaro SS.

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by Moby Vic

You don't think there will be any Ford fans or sufficient Ford vehicles remaining to be discussed after 2016?

Don't seem to be many Ford only fans on this Forum, but I do see a lot of Australian car fans on this forum... And I see a lot of Australian built cars remaining to be discussed after 2016 which are not necessarily By Ford

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Oh no, we mustn't have bad points of view about General Motors, no way, not here!

Its not about having a bad view of General Motors, its about having a grudge against a company which hasn't given up yet.

Prior to fords announcement we hardly ever considered Holden, now people are looking for reasons to bring them down too.

If holden survive it is good for working families, I don't care for the product.

If the shoe were on the other foot, Holden had declared and every man and his dog were knifing Ford I would be equally as vocal in their support.

It just reeks of sour grapes when a bloke who has been given 3 yrs notice sinks the boot in to others to appease his obvious hurt, its not the Aussie way.

[Moby Vic]

You see *a lot* of post-2016 Australian-built cars?

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by TC200six

I believe that's a luxury car price tag over there. For a vehicle that's used as a fleet car in its entry form over here, no matter what kind of car they market it as, the Commodore is not a true luxury car. It's sort of being an imposter.

Merc are taxi's in German!! I'd hardly call that luxury, in German!!!

[Moby Vic]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

It just reeks of sour grapes when a bloke who has been given 3 yrs notice sinks the boot in to others to appease his obvious hurt, its not the Aussie way.

This looks like sour grapes to me:

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Its not about having a bad view of General Motors, its about having a grudge against a company which hasn't given up yet.

Ford hasn't given up. Ford has tried to find the best way to survive against global competition without begging for government money. How many American manufacturing jobs do you think have been lost in the last three decades?

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Moby Vic

This looks like sour grapes to me:


Ford hasn't given up. Ford has tried to find the best way to survive against global competition without begging for government money. How many American manufacturing jobs do you think have been lost in the last three decades?

Who cares about American jobs, American jobs aren't keeping the corner store open, or the local super market, or the bloody pub they congregate at after work.

Honestly, there was a time when this Forum stood out as a place where intelligent people could debate sensible content, when brand allegiance is held in higher regard than hard working people it might as well be Just Commodores or LS1.
That's their mentality, don't lower yourselves to that level.

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by Moby Vic

You see *a lot* of post-2016 Australian-built cars?

Well, cars don't stop functioning after their mother factory has died do they? I see a lot of mitsubishi magnas still getting around, not to mention decades worth of commodores and falcons tottering around, and camries of all eras bringing the good old folk to church and bowling. Love or hate any of these cars, they are all Australian-built cars which will be a feature of Australian roads for a while to come, post 2016.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Its not about having a bad view of General Motors, its about having a grudge against a company which hasn't given up yet.

I don't think he has a grudge, he was pointing out that the export plan is stymied...by a company that is acting in the same fashion that lead it to bankruptcy in the first place...GM haven't changed anything...

IIRC, the projected total sales per year were around 5000 initially, now they are forecasting much less, despite one of the biggest marketing pushes for a Australian made car. This its self is quite low, the GTO/Monaro sold between 35-40000 units over 3 years...and the VE G8 sold over 30 000...

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

You are in denial champ, you haven't stopped knifing Holden since Ford made that announcement.

I have been a harsh critic of Holden/GM from day dot on here, because i'm not stupid enough to believe the constant spin, rubbish and smoke and mirrors they serve up. I'm sure those tatics works on bottom feeders like you who believe they are a roaring success story like they would have you believe, but the reality is quite different and they are on a knifes edge.

I just don't get why someone on a Fordforum would try to bag someone for not liking Holden. What has the world come too. Go to www.LS1.com and tell your story to your like minded brethren over there

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by burnz

so they have two month worth of stock!

fomoco has how many months of stock?

FYI,
From the August sales conference call , Ford has inventory at 535,000

171,00 cars
232,000 trucks
132,000 utilities

that's 65 days supply

[UberKnee]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

Merc are taxi's in German!! I'd hardly call that luxury, in German!!!

Most Mercs, Beemers, etc are pretty common/average worldwide but they do make genuine luxury cars at the top end of the spectrum as well. All Ford/Holden do is chuck a bit of chrome on a Falcodore and call it luxury, same thing for the VF Chevy SS. It wont be real luxury, just a taxi pretending to have luxury.

[1TUFFUTE]

And from what I've been told ......the us will take over any production of the Aussie built commadores they're selling over there after 2016. Here we will build the cruize next gen and some undisclosed softroader. So im pretty sure whoever is saying all that money and effort and money and advertising ....and money spent getting that car over there......for maybe 1000sales up to maybe 5000 sales in its second or third year......is another big GM bailout fail. Maybe im wrong with some of the numbers but you get the hint......well some do

[burnz]

Originally Posted by jpd80

FYI,
From the August sales conference call , Ford has inventory at 535,000

171,00 cars
232,000 trucks
132,000 utilities

that's 65 days supply

both yanks a re running two months stock, wow..
whats the oz version got.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by burnz

both yanks a re running two months stock, wow..
whats the oz version got.

There's no huge stockpiles of Falcon or Territory anywhere but there's obviously no need to build cars for another two weeks.

We could see the perculiar situation where novated buyers come back into the market and there's insufficient vehicles.
We might see a funny case where both manufacturers have to work some overtime to get stock to dealerships before Christmas.

[Gobes32]

I share BossXR8's views wholly, Holden are a poorly run company who rely on spin and blackmail to guarantee their future. Ford made some bad decisions over the years and paid the ultimate price, ultimately in the form of a forced closure. But at least we can bloody hold our heads high and say we left in a moral and ethical fashion. We did not threaten to leave unless cheques were made out to us, we never produced poorly planned export schemes that a first year economics student could see would fail, we never tricked up test cars and we never spent our bail out money on v8 supercar teams.............

[jpd80]

Holden is currently flat out producing 7,000 vehicles a month, if you look at figures across local production
as well as production to the UAE and USA, you'll see that Cruze, Commodore and Utes are all in limited supply.

In contrast Ford is currently producing and selling around a quarter of that total volume.

[BHDOGS]

so successful they asked for alot of redundancies and a pay cut for workers. Oh wait that doesnt make sence? so either they just shafted a bunch of people or there not in a good as position as they claim im confused now?

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

so successful they asked for alot of redundancies and a pay cut for workers. Oh wait that doesnt make sence? so either they just shafted a bunch of people or there not in a good as position as they claim im confused now?

I think you'll find the latter is true, Holden used the situation to bleat about costs to gain an advantage in EBA negotiations.
And they will be back and back again to the government for any assistance they can get because that's how it's played.


Think about it, they downsized the plant, got costs under control, all the things Ford was doing
and now have every product sold or spoken for in export deals, Ford should be so lucky...

I want to see Ford succeed too but at the moment, the brass seem happy to let Falcon sales recede
while they advertise Territory and take whatever sales they can, everything hinges on Territory, not Falcon.

[Cuyper]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

Merc are taxi's in German!! I'd hardly call that luxury, in German!!!

Yes they are, but very well built taxi's

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I want to see Ford succeed too but at the moment, the brass seem happy to let Falcon sales recede
while they advertise Territory and take whatever sales they can, everything hinges on Territory, not Falcon.

I think the only thing keeping the factory going at the moment is the Territory. There is currently NO replacement available for it, ie a 7 seater diesel/petrol right hand drive SUV. Not wanting to loose a foothold in this VERY important market segment, Ford have no choice but to wear the low Falcon sales and red ink or loose their brands association with large family SUV's until new generation cars become available.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

bottom feeders like you who believe they are a roaring success story like they would have you believe, but the reality is quite different and they are on a knifes edge.

I just don't get why someone on a Fordforum would try to bag someone for not liking Holden. What has the world come too. Go to www.LS1.com and tell your story to your like minded brethren over there

Bottom feeders like myself, are you that hurt you need to stoop to personal insults, or are you just spewing your local mob lost on the weekend..lol

I visit many forums, definitely not one eyed, all things motoring interest me, however, your lack of peripheral vision is evident, so too is the reason you don't 'get it'.

Anyhow, I don't care if you don't like the badge, that's personal opinion, but to continuously sink the boot into an employer who puts food on the table of many families is quite frankly a pathetic outlook and totally un Australian.