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Of course ENENews and the other online blogs are reputable news organisations, right ?
Even if most of their 'news' is more than a year old !
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However to claim any by-product of the current nuclear power generation industry as harmless radioactivity is wrong. The short lived high level radiation kills quickly and horribly. the low level stuff, which is less dangerous but still bad enough to need caring for, storing away, and protection for tens of thousands of years plus is still amongst the most hazardous material known to mankind. Perolonged exposure will kill, limited exposure 'may' cause defects through breeding, cancers, and other anomolies that detract from a quality of life for the victim and their families and those that become exposed to the victim and their remains effectively forever. Death shoudl not be the only measure of impact, and certainly death of humans may be an insignificant toll in the grand scheme Yet Fukishima offers us one clear lesson, Nuclear based energy production is bad, but its less bad than coal based energy production. Nuclear may offer us a short term solution to bridge the gap between coal to a renewable energy producing future. Unfortunately it is a 20-50 year benefitting strategy that will leave an impact on the people of the globe effectively forever. I believe there is an alternative, not only would it provide us clean energy security it has the propensity to save our economy, for now and itno the future. From today as a start point it is not necesarily an easy solution, public awareness and opinion needs to be adjusted, but it is the right thing to do, possible and an appropriate solution for our times with an appropriate legacy. Justin |
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Thank you Mr O'Lane, you, perhaps inadvertently, proved my argument. The Alternative is a household term, not anew term nor a confronting one, but one that somehow has been lost or ignored or declared irrelevant by well funded vested interests in the holistic debate about energy production. A perfect example of the election rhetoric we suffer from at the moment. Its the right solution, It might not be popular due to miss-information and self interest, It may not be short term cheap, but mark my words it is the solution to this countries and others social, economic, environmental and secure future.
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The only "alternative" to coal fired is, to be blunt, nuclear, full stop. Our modern society and especially industry needs constant, high output, base-load power available at any time of the day or night, on demand, when needed, as much as needed. "Renewables" simply can't do that, and probably never will.
Solar for your house? Amazingly good idea. Solar to power a city and factories? Keep dreaming... Quote:
Another fun fact...we have actually evolved to need a small amount of radioactivity. We're radioactive beings...they say sleeping beside someone is increasing the radioactivity you absorb? Hell, did you know that eating a banana actually gives you more radiation than living within 50km of a nuclear power station? Here's a link to a graphic showing exposure and how it works: http://www-tc.pbs.org/wnet/need-to-k.../radiation.png By the way...if you really want to frighten yourself (for no good reason) look at how "dangerous" it is to live in a stone, brick, or concrete building for a year... ![]() Pretty interesting! This is the article: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/need-to-know...dy-guide/8124/ Last edited by 2011G6E; 21-08-2013 at 06:52 PM. |
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solar storage of molten salt.
csiro have made good progress on working prototypes.
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I bet you're in Politics or Management.
No one else would use appx 100 words when 4 would have done (Solar & Wind) Now that's a waste of energy. ![]()
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All of them are capable, any renewable energy technology produces electricity, just as a coal power plant or nuclear power plant does. The difference at the moment between a renewable source and a fossil fuel source is quantity due to past investment.
We cannot turn off the coal tomorrow without significant social drama. a transition to a renewable future requires a stop gap solution which will comprise many smaller initiatives, it may include nuclear. But with enough investment in renewables construction we can easily power our 'base load' nationally. we lack the vision to make those investments, we desire the cheap solution ignoring the true costs, our economies models don't measure true cost but pure input costs only. ( dont believe nuclear si cheap as we don't cost or pay for the ongoing 100,000 years of storage costs per kwh used) And what comes out of that investment in renewables, jobs, industry, research, and power security, what comes from that is reliable power which does not pollute anywhere as badly as todays generation (there is probably no such thing as zero carbon production, hence I make this consideration). but we need vision and to look beyond today. As this is a discussion about the impacts of the Fukishima event I parallel renewables with Nuclear. In our country we have reached a fork in the road, which way should we go, where should we invest. I for one will hope for a 'dispersed', mixed renewable solution which employs Australians across the country locally, rather than a 'centarlised' nuclear response whos technology is provided by a multinational provider in a mechanised automated low staff solution. Justin |
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The back ground radiation you mention is in effect harmless, the radiation we are dicussing from a nuclear event has a hal life measured in tens of thousands of years. That means that the radiation from a compunds decay, known as radiation, only achieves half the decay from dangerous to safe in that tens of thousands of years. That means it is dangerous, significantly greater in radiation than background 'safe' radiation that you mention. Again, I declare I do not want to be anywhere near that event, ever. Jsutin |
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yeah and this should have happened 2 years ago, being declared an emergency when this took place. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4-LofPS6FA
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On Fukishima however, it was approx. 3 months into the tragedy that 'real news sites' were reporting the nuclear fall out was already upto 500 times greater than that of the Hiroshima bombings, however most in the waters. The Jap propaganda machine has worked overtime trying to convince their people there is no problem etc but folks are dying as we speak. The folks that say it wont harm are very very delusional. Check out this article and dig deeper - if your a Morning Show fan don't bother as this is real new ..... http://www.naturalnews.com/041720_Fu...inwashing.html
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sorry mods, delete these multiple posts - my pc has gone mad - my bad.
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Thanx for that, thought my pc developed some sort of Intel gonorrhea.
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talking of pigs check this out , though irrelevant to thread topic ....
http://www.naturalnews.com/040727_GM..._stomachs.html
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Large scale hydroelectric does work.
Good luck getting a project approved though...for instance, the Snowy Mountain Scheme would never be approved today. Protest groups would appear by their thousands, politicians would rally against it, etc. Back then people saw it as "nation building" and applauded it...not green groups wouldn't let it happen. Base load power is vitally important. Renewables can't cope with that. Nuclear and coal can. "Long term storage" of waste? We live on a geologically stable continent with vast areas of bugger all where deep holes could be drilled to store glassified nuclear waste perfectly safely. The high yield stuff gives up most of it's radioactivity fairly quickly, and the rest cooks away slowly at low yield. How much nuclear waste is produced by a power plant each year? Activists seem to think it's massive amounts. It doesn't. http://www.nei.org/Knowledge-Center/...-Nuclear-Waste It;s of two types: high level and low level waste: Quote:
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Doesn't Australia already take other countries nuclear waste and bury it in a hole somewhere out in the sticks?
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Why is it people worry about a little leak at a power station which has killed what ? 20 - 30 people. But the Yanks dropped nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki which took out 200,000 straight away. Sorry I can not see the relevance of this thread. One was man made (no big deal we wont even mention it ) the other Nature cant be helped ????
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Furthermore who pays for the up-keep of the waste as I said before effectively forever for what cheap power for the early 21st centry, take into account those costs and the power isnt very cheap at all irrespective of the amount its the life thats costs. even in the last 200 years we have experienced massive global,social and economic change and it was mild in comparison to previous eons. I for one choose not to inflict that legacy on the future. Justin |
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Off shore wind is being extensively rolled out in the northern hemisphere where off shore provides more constant and stronger winds than on land and addresses the NIMBY and other concerns. with appropriate investment we have the solution Justin |
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