Whats HSVs answer to the GT 335 - Page 2

The Monty · 29-09-2012, 08:49 PM

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Whats HSVs answer to the GT 335

Keep selling their cars 2 to 1.
Its like AC/DC's last album. When Brian and Angus were being interviewed about it, the host said "Dont you think it sounds much the same as every other album you have done"?
I think it was Angus who replied, "If you have a real good cake recipe, why the Fudge would you go and change it?"

xisled · 29-09-2012, 08:55 PM

Interesting thing, there is a radio add on the big 3 stations here in Melbourne at the moment saying walkinshaw is offering finance on upgrading your car. So I think this may be a start to something bigger.

Archilino · 29-09-2012, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Motorbreath310

Has there been any official wording on that though? If they do it'll be a limited run and be priced on the wrong side of 100k for starters which could actually work in favour of FPV sales for people after a cheaper alternative to a blown v8 sedan. Is there even a market for HSV's in that price bracket after the W427?

I doubt we will hear anything until much closer to the release date so they don't hurt current sales of th E3 range, off memory wasn't the GTS Monaro about 100k a few years back? I guess HSV have precedence charging 6 fingures if you also include the W427 if they choose to go down that path.

VICFPV · 29-09-2012, 10:50 PM

OP question: Whats HSVs answer to the GT 335.

My answer: Nothing. Reason being is they are not competing against FPV. They are chasing the Euro stuff Audi BMW and Mercedes Benz.
HSV boss said it himself.
Also it would make him a laughing stock if they went out and positioned a product to match FPV in forced induction and kill of the gravy train in Walkinshaw business, besides they are double dipping as it is. They are getting at least 10k on top of the car purchase price if the customer optioned a kit with Walkinshaw. Again its a win win for them.

FGII-XR6 · 29-09-2012, 10:58 PM

bore it out and put bigger slugs in it. thats been their appreoach in recent times ford have gone smaller engines forced induction and high tech where holden has gone with cubes . fairly obvious which is the better way to go when you have a 6.0 @ 260 Kw and a 5.0L @ 335 Kw

FPVGT500 · 30-09-2012, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikked

Is this the new HSV sportswagon?

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No its the R SPEC......

MethodX · 30-09-2012, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by au3xr6

bore it out and put bigger slugs in it. thats been their appreoach in recent times ford have gone smaller engines forced induction and high tech where holden has gone with cubes . fairly obvious which is the better way to go when you have a 6.0 @ 260 Kw and a 5.0L @ 335 Kw

You chose the detuned GM engine. lowest rating...
Ford fans slagging off ohv engines? better burn your phase 3's and classic mustangs then.

KIWI-1 · 30-09-2012, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MethodX

You chose the detuned GM engine. lowest rating...
Ford fans slagging off ohv engines? better burn your phase 3's and classic mustangs then.

Better burn the all the 4-cylinder Falcons sitting out back at Broady too.

MethodX · 30-09-2012, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by KIWI-1

Better burn the all the 4-cylinder Falcons sitting out back at Broady too.

Has that model been selling well?

KIWI-1 · 30-09-2012, 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by MethodX

Has that model been selling well?

Yes, according to Fairfax:
"Ford and its employees have bought three times as many four-cylinder Falcons as private buyers in the car’s first three months in showrooms."

http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor...717-2272o.html

Booger · 30-09-2012, 06:26 AM

Walkinshaw are offering factory warranty protection on their S/C kits as well.

**Revolver** · 30-09-2012, 06:36 AM

HSV's answer to the 335:

"Oh ****"

**DJM83** · 30-09-2012, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by VICFPV

OP question: Whats HSVs answer to the GT 335.

My answer: Nothing. Reason being is they are not competing against FPV. They are chasing the Euro stuff Audi BMW and Mercedes Benz.
HSV boss said it himself.
Also it would make him a laughing stock if they went out and positioned a product to match FPV in forced induction and kill of the gravy train in Walkinshaw business, besides they are double dipping as it is. They are getting at least 10k on top of the car purchase price if the customer optioned a kit with Walkinshaw. Again its a win win for them.

Too bad they aren't even in the same league as the euro's. They are kidding themselves.

jpd80 · 30-09-2012, 07:04 AM

We won't see anything much from HSV this side of VF, all efforts will be on the new cars.
The supercharged mill is a beauty but the plan to keep it as a GTS only engine is flawed IMO.
If the S/C 6.2 was available as an option across the range, I think HSV might be shocked at the take rate..

FGII-XR6 · 30-09-2012, 02:14 PM

you're talking old classic cars I'm talking new ( modern cars) OHV is outdated tractor engine technology and lets face it the 5.0 is a detuned engine too they are capable of 400+ Kw with nothing more than a flash tune

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Originally Posted by MethodX

You chose the detuned GM engine. lowest rating...
Ford fans slagging off ohv engines? better burn your phase 3's and classic mustangs then.

FGII-XR6 · 30-09-2012, 02:17 PM

see what I mean, 6.2 L ! get the drill out and fit bigger slugs

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Originally Posted by jpd80

We won't see anything much from HSV this side of VF, all efforts will be on the new cars.
The supercharged mill is a beauty but the plan to keep it as a GTS only engine is flawed IMO.
If the S/C 6.2 was available as an option across the range, I think HSV might be shocked at the take rate..

jpd80 · 30-09-2012, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by au3xr6

see what I mean, 6.2 L ! get the drill out and fit bigger slugs

Off the shelf S/C V8 courtesy of Camaro, the only saving grace is that it won't be across the board fitment at HSV.

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MethodX · 30-09-2012, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by au3xr6

you're talking old classic cars I'm talking new ( modern cars) OHV is outdated tractor engine technology and lets face it the 5.0 is a detuned engine too they are capable of 400+ Kw with nothing more than a flash tune

Not really, An ohv engine with well designed heads can be just as efficient. And be cheaper to make, have a lower centre of gravity, and safer in a crash. Also lighter.
The corvette Z07 does pretty well with pushrods.

Nikked · 30-09-2012, 08:29 PM

Push rods have there place, LS1 is a beaut engine...

But so is Fords Cyotoe.

BHDOGS · 30-09-2012, 08:29 PM

A tissue

FGII-XR6 · 30-09-2012, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MethodX

Not really, An ohv engine with well designed heads can be just as efficient. And be cheaper to make, have a lower centre of gravity, and safer in a crash. Also lighter.
The corvette Z07 does pretty well with pushrods.

safer in a crash, how ??????
So having a cam in the middle of the engine makes it safer in a crash???????????
Or is it the push rods stop the car from getting to you????
OHV has been superceded by all decent engine manufacturers and has been for some time. lets face it holdens current offerings are tarted up oversized tractor engines.
I'm not saying Holden will never have anything decent but at this stage Fords performance offerings are technologically superior

MethodX · 30-09-2012, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by au3xr6

safer in a crash, how ??????
So having a cam in the middle of the engine makes it safer in a crash???????????
Or is it the push rods stop the car from getting to you????
OHV has been superceded by all decent engine manufacturers and has been for some time. lets face it holdens current offerings are tarted up oversized tractor engines.
I'm not saying Holden will never have anything decent but at this stage Fords performance offerings are technologically superior

lower mass and height, to come crashing through into the passenger compartment. no big bulky heads.
Lets face it if Ford released a new range of ohv motors then you wouldnt hear anything bad.

Both configurations have their pro's and con's

Bossxr8 · 30-09-2012, 09:20 PM

HSV's response will be to stick extra vents and plastic on the things, because there is still some room on them to fit some more.

KIWI-1 · 30-09-2012, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

HSV's response will be to stick extra vents and plastic on the things, because there is still some room on them to fit some more.

and outsell Ford 2 to 1.

dimka100 · 30-09-2012, 10:52 PM

Why is this thread turning argumentative?? Seriously people chill ...

HSV will not do anything to the existing range until the VF model is out next year. They might do more discounts and such to keep them selling until then.

As for the engine, considering all the significant benefits the VF upgrade will bring why does HSV need to chaise more power??? You know cars these days are not all about KWs and the market is clearly demonstrating that by the current sales numbers.

With the VF HSVs should be much lighter (100kg +), should have far mode advanced equipment level, all new interior, hopefully much improved exterior, ets ... seriously with such a long list of updates extra engine power will not be required to keep selling them well.

HULK EF · 30-09-2012, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikked

Is this the new HSV sportswagon?

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Nup, a secret FG GT GT-HO AWD Twin Turbo R-SPEC wagon.

SteveJH · 30-09-2012, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by au3xr6

safer in a crash, how ??????
So having a cam in the middle of the engine makes it safer in a crash???????????
Or is it the push rods stop the car from getting to you????
OHV has been superceded by all decent engine manufacturers and has been for some time. lets face it holdens current offerings are tarted up oversized tractor engines.
I'm not saying Holden will never have anything decent but at this stage Fords performance offerings are technologically superior

Probably no reason why one configuration is more or less advanced than the other. They both do the same thing (create rotational force by pumping as much air as possible from the intake to the exhaust as efficiently as possible). They just go about it using different methods.

aussie muscle · 02-10-2012, 08:36 AM

I can't imagine HSV think of fpv as much of a threat at the moment, they are probably looking to steal Mercedes, Audi and BMW potential customers at this point.

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What's wrong with going to a Holden forum and asking the question

I assume we get Holden fans coming here to see what WE think of the HSV and Holden product (i know i go to the ls1 forums to see what they think of FPV/Falcon).

Besides, it breaks up the monotony somewhat.

Chopped · 02-10-2012, 08:59 AM

HSV’s 25th anniversary GTS

"Performance sedan gets special treatment for brand’s silver anniversary; but no extra grunt."

http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor...001-26ukz.html

lucas2 · 02-10-2012, 08:55 PM

This is interesting..shows the walkinshaw s/c is still slower than the GT and F6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZuj3-0mN58