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I would have no dramas in owning an XR8 or GS or GT with a 3 litre turbo diesel V8, as long as it sounds like a V8 and hauls **** WHO CARES of it's capacity or fuel, imagine the torque they would make when cranked up. I know the yanks like there cubes but some if there pickups ie ford with 7.3, 6.4 &6.0, chev have 6.6 duramax and dodge having the 5.9 cummins. These guys are cranking out upto 1500 rwhp and god knows the amount of torque but it's plenty enough to click through the auto to top gear, let off the brake and smoke 35-39 tyres for a few hundred metres without touching the brakes, surely if these engines were only 3 litres or so in capacity they could still punch out 4-500 rwhp, same torque figures as worked boss 335 and LS3 and pull 6L per 100 sitting on 100kmh. Let's not forget most 4wd weather ute or wagon are all around 2000kg, turning 4 wheel drive systems, pushing an object shaped like a fridge through the air and geared to be fairly revvy on the highway, yet still return 7L/100km for a new Colorado/Dmax and navara 4 wd utes, put this in a lighter 2WD, streamlined falcon or commodore, and I'd be first to park my A R S E in either brand
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Fact of the matter is this, small engines are getting cleverer and yes compared to bigger capacity engines of yester they are more powerful, more torquey more fuel efficient.
Put the same technology in a bigger cc engine and you will see the bigger engine will make more power, more torque and less stressed than a smaller engine. Its physics....
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Comparing a large 4 with a large 6 I find it very disconcerting having to plant the foot with the accompanying "buzziness" of high revs in a 4 compared to the effortless power from tickling the throttle in a 6. Even with turbo etc I don't think they've overcome this in 4s nor will they. Small cars it's not a problem but then you can't fit as much in a small car can you?
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The big engined car days are not numbered they are just getting pushed into a more exclusive market. Those that want to buy one still will. Exclusivity comes at a larger price tag but that's why Mercs and other luxury brands make big engined cars still because there's still a market for those who want to pay. The XR8 is gone but the FPV GS has replaced it. All good if you have the passion to pay for one. I'll always have at least one V8 in the garage.
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I disagree to a point, people today are not as interested in buying a performance engine as an option,
they instead want a basic engine to encompass both good performance and good fuel economy. The way most manufacturers are approaching this is by offering LPG, diesel, hybrid or DI turbo petrol engines, The key is increased efficiency and no better example exists than SZ Territory where 80% of I-6 sales have now been displaced by the new V6 diesel, could you imagine the impact of a combined V6 diesel and Ecoboost 2.0 on I-6 Falcon sales? Ford would most likely close down the I-6 engine plant, so not a good idea at the moment...... |
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there was a graph in one of the recent sales threads that showed sales by which fuel used, and the private sales were still miles ahead with petrol over lpg and diesel. diesel sales were only higher in govt and comercial sectors. this skews the figures a little as fleets and govt departments have to meet certain criteria so they are basically forced to buy lpg or diesel. there are a handful of small diesels getting around but the majority of diesels are in the suv/4wd segments. sticking a diesel in a passenger sedan doesn't automatically mean buyers will flock to it. back on topic, i think smaller engines just get more development dollars thrown at them and in most cases, comparing a small engine to a large one isn't really comparing apples with apples. high tech 6 and 8 cyl engines are every bit as impressive as a good 4. nissan gtr, old m3 etc show what a larger engine can do when money is spent on it to develop it. most companies couldn't be bothered (costs too high) spending the money developing the larger engines so they just stick a high tech 4 banger under the bonnet instead. having said all that, i do kind of agree that most modern 4cyl's produce ample power these days for average joe family. the economy side of things is better but perception is a big part of it too. 4cyl camry is barely more economical than sidi 3.0 commo or 6sp falcon. |
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Diesel would transform sales for Falcon: big lazy torque, big fuel range, great towing all while getting 5 to 6 litres per 100km on the highway. Out of all passenger cars on the market, diesel suits a big rear wheel drive car the best as you can fully exploit the benefits of diesel. The precedent has already been set, look at the mainstream large family sized cars on the market, anyone where diesel is an option the diesel outperforms in sales the petrol equivalent. Example: Mondeo,diesel outsells petrol Passat, diesel outsells petrol Peugoet 508 diesel outsells petrol Citreon C5 diesel outsells petrol Then you look at all the sales Falcon and Commodore have lost over the years to SUVS..which, you guessed it... have diesel. Even Mers, Audis and BMWs are seeing a bigger and bigger percentage of their passenger cars being diesel. Diesel is also the fastest rising fuel category in VFACTS. I'm still surprised at the amount of imported diesel passenger cars in rural areas, an Aussie diesel Falcon would sell gangbusters out here. Last edited by Brazen; 15-10-2011 at 11:47 AM. |
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Brazen - you must have the same crystal ball as jpd80!
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steam has come a long way . i was thinking of supersteam vehicles , however the carbon dioxide tax has put that on the back burner till they can figure out a way to regulate steam effects on global warming .
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gee gee, the lpg up takers are still surprisingly small? i suppose it might be a bit early to expect the new gas henry to have any impact yet i guess.
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Reading a comparison between the new hilux dual cab 3 L diesel and the VW amarok 2L diesel
The 2 L amarok has 400NM of torque which is more than the 3L hilux Rather interesting As mentioned,yeah the smaller engines do have the $$$ thrown at them to develop the power/torque they have But is it really about the best power ,or is it about engines complying to new emmision rules and market demand The larger engines will always have a place in the market Would i prefer a big lazy engine thats reliable,good easy power and torque Or a smaller engine being force fed |
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the way i see it, for ford to 'just stick a diesel' in the falcon, it would cost a lot of money in R n D and crash testing and emissions and all the rest of it, for no garaunteed return.
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I have a diesel Focus, mainly because its a crapload better to drive than the petrol variants. I could have afforded the XR5T at the time, but I'm a P plater so it was certainly off the list.
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Drove a Mondeo Ecoboost yesterday. Overall impressions are :
While the engine is very refined, it still sounds like a 4 cylinder, and doesn't have a pleasant note. Soul-less is how I would describe the character. Low down torque is excellent, that part will serve Falcon well but acceleration was not too good. Good engine, but I would have the 6, if they get rid of the 6 then we have lost one of the most durable engines in the market. Having said that, I saw a Saab 900 turbo with 300 000 kms the other day... |
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I think people are seriously overestimating how important an engines "sound" is to the average (ie: the majority) of buyers, or how quick it gets away when you plant the foot. In fact, the quieter it is, the better...no one really cares about engine note...in fact the engineers do thier best to design out all extra noises and harshness from the outside of the cabin to keep it as quiet as possible. I if they could make it silent in there (as with noise cancelling technology which has been around for decades now) they would.
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They say the older generation Hilux is unbreakable, but my friends have been reluctant to take me up on my offer of breaking theirs for them.
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Brazen - if you want a diesel ute, buy a ranger!! why does everyone continually carry on like the falcon has to be this 'one car fits all' model.
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