What Car for my young bloke ? - Page 2

ZDI-970 · 02-11-2009, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibrox90

In all seriousness a Magna 93-2002 these cars are solid, simple, indestructable and not rear wheel drive.

they do have gearbox problems in about third gear after a while...

**SSD-85** · 02-11-2009, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibrox90

In all seriousness a Magna 93-2002 these cars are solid, simple, indestructable and not rear wheel drive.

Yep, gotta love that 2 stroke V6....

telstar1 · 02-11-2009, 09:33 PM

i got my son a 1995 subaru liberty for $2000

Fev · 02-11-2009, 09:35 PM

KE70 Corolla - $1000-2000 (pref good cond)
New sports front seats - $500-700
4AGE conversion+5spd $2000
Exhaust $500
suspension $2000
Sound $700
~$8k for a wicked fun car.

Wont have any problem with the engine swap as its a newer engine so should be fine.
And it WONT depreciate. You will be able to sell that for atleast $6k and it would be an awesome father/son build.

phillyc · 02-11-2009, 09:35 PM

AU XR6, although i'm biased!

Seriously, an AU on gas will be cheap and reliable.

Smoke Pursuit · 02-11-2009, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dave93761

I know if I'd had a BF XR6 as my first car, I would have been far too reckless with it and would probably have ended up putting it into a wall somewhere.......young blokes should get their experience up on cars that just aren't that powerful.....so they can learn to drive properly, not fly along and endanger others.....make no mistake, 120 hours (as a learner) is only just the beginning - they can't say that they are 'experienced' behind the wheel...

My EA falcon was just the job for a first car......powerful enough to get from A to B, but not powerful enough to go hooning around trying to impress my mates and the girls....and putting other road users at risk.....

You see all these P platers driving around in souped up VS / VT commodores, or EL falcons, or brand new BMW's etc, and whilst I still get angry when they do stupid things.....on some level I feel sorry for them, because they don't know any better.....quite often it takes a good crash for them to wake up.....I know that's what happened to me!!! And I'm not that old (24)...

I see L platers driving Monaro's and XR8's etc and I just shake my head......

I actually reckon your young fella's idea of a Corolla is actually pretty sensible!!! Even if he has it for only 12 months, to help him find his feet out there, it's pretty smart!

My first proper car was an AUIII XR6 VCT with very low kms on it.. And i actually drove that care more careful then most of my friends drove their $500 Toyota Corollas.

It comes down to the individual and how they were brought up.. I wouldnt rule out buying my son a BF XR6 if I am lucky enough to have one, because more then likely he will have the same love for cars that I do and will have been brought up to look after his assets..

Im not against giving kids decent cars that are safe and reliable.. Even if they are good hoon cars if the kids responsible and actually appreciates the car then they aren't going to hoon in it!!

Different story if you go buy them an XR6 Turbo lol!

Smoke Pursuit · 02-11-2009, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Fev

KE70 Corolla - $1000-2000 (pref good cond)
New sports front seats - $500-700
4AGE conversion+5spd $2000
Exhaust $500
suspension $2000
Sound $700
~$8k for a wicked fun car.

Wont have any problem with the engine swap as its a newer engine so should be fine.
And it WONT depreciate. You will be able to sell that for atleast $6k and it would be an awesome father/son build.

Thats still only worth 2 grand in 6 months time when hes sick of it.. Yeh real smart!

jonesyedxr6 · 02-11-2009, 11:03 PM

EL XR6 for sure, that was the car i planned to have for my P's. It turned out that the ed xr6 1km down the road selling for 1200 was too good to pass up.

naddis01 · 02-11-2009, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Adrenaline

Atleast you won't find him hooning in a Corolla. BF XR might be a different story...

Not necessarily. My parents only had a Mazda 121 when I was on my P's. It didnt stop me from hooning around.

They will hoon around in whatever they have if thats what they want to do.

Windsor220 · 02-11-2009, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibrox90

In all seriousness a Magna 93-2002 these cars are solid, simple, indestructable and not rear wheel drive.

93-96 Magnas are terrible.
96 to about 99 are getting on a bit and suffer auto problems.
2000 onwards are ok.

To the OP, if he wants something small reliable like a Corolla, maybe go a Focus. Keeps him in the Ford family.

EFPWR · 02-11-2009, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by D3v[]

they do have gearbox problems in about third gear after a while...

..and 1st and 2nd.. :P

Manual magna is a good choice. Cheap reliable motoring.

Coyote mk3 · 02-11-2009, 11:40 PM

I'm a little bias here as well but I love my EL xr6 and I think it is a great car to have on L's/P's.

They are fairly cheap to buy - mine was a lucky find at $4,000 but I found most are between $5,500- $8,000.
I am hoping to put it on gas before too long, but it doesn't chew through fuel too badly.

**buggerlugs** · 03-11-2009, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by danny351

Id recomend an e series. They are cheap and you can get a nice Fairmont, XR6 as they are non turbo - P plate friendly.

A EB - EL XR6 manual is quite a fun and cheap bit of gear.

How about a Jap ute like a Hilux or a Falcon ute even?

Perhaps an AU one tonner with a nice tray, tints etc etc.

As said previously, this eliminates the option of his mates bugging him to drive them everywhere and perhaps egg him on when they pull up at the lights with some clown wanting to race.

Thats a good point about the ute and mates. What is Dedicated Gas ?

BPXR6T · 03-11-2009, 09:21 AM

Panel van. Keep him busy entertaining the ladies instead of his mates.

dannyxm · 03-11-2009, 09:22 AM

Dedicated Gas is simply a car that runs on gas only.

XR6_661 · 03-11-2009, 09:24 AM

Honda Civic or something...very reliable motors, pretty pokey.

BA/BF XT or XR6
N/A R33 Skyline
N/A Supra

Dave_au · 03-11-2009, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by D3v[]

they do have gearbox problems in about third gear after a while...

Not in the TJ Magnas from 01-03. There are of course other problems with the gear box if it hasnt been serviced or looked after.

Best part is the resale on Magna's are shot to pieces so you get quite a reasonable bang for your buck second hand now; a quick look on carsales:

02 VRX with 67,000 on the clock for $12,000
01 VRX with 151k, manual, $8,500.

vinnie226 · 03-11-2009, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by bfiipursuit

My first proper car was an AUIII XR6 VCT with very low kms on it.. And i actually drove that care more careful then most of my friends drove their $500 Toyota Corollas.

It comes down to the individual and how they were brought up.. I wouldnt rule out buying my son a BF XR6 if I am lucky enough to have one, because more then likely he will have the same love for cars that I do and will have been brought up to look after his assets..

Im not against giving kids decent cars that are safe and reliable.. Even if they are good hoon cars if the kids responsible and actually appreciates the car then they aren't going to hoon in it!!

Different story if you go buy them an XR6 Turbo lol!

i agree, i currently have an bf xr6 manual and i get my license very soon, now my parents wouldn't have let me buy that car if i wasn't responsible. at the end of the day all cars can be dangerous, it comes down to how stupid the driver is because any car can go fast when pushed.

Hords · 03-11-2009, 10:28 AM

I would think a BF XR6 is going to cost a sh7tload more to insure than the corolla for a new licence holder.

AndrewR_AUII · 03-11-2009, 10:36 AM

The other issue to think about is insurance.

Comprehensive for anybody under 25 is very expensive - even more so for somebody without any driving 'record'.
If you can get something 'not worth insuring' and just get third party property he should (depending on insurer) be able to build up an insurance rating, while still building driving experience. Whatever you do, he MUST be covered by at least third party property.

Once he has had a few years under his belt, he will have a better idea of the car that suits him, probably be in a better financial position to afford it, and will have a clean driving record to help contain the insurance costs.

My first car was a suzuki hatch - 2 door, 540cc motor...

jcxr · 03-11-2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by XCPWSF

I was looking around for ages for a BA XR6 in manual and couldn't find anyone who actually had them, went to about 15 dealerships and the only manual Falcon i found was an F6 which I couldn't afford, or be legally allowed to drive, all of them on carsales were $17,500+ from the ones I could see, so I went after my next car on the list, a 2000 model R34 Nissan Skyline, it was $11,400, had been smoked in but other than that, it was in alright condition and I had booked a test drive, but some bastard bought it on me 2 days before, so quickly looking for another car I spotted two cars I was interested in, Mazda 6 Sports Luxury which I was dead set on and an E36 BMW 328i Coupe, they where manual and fully optioned, on my way to the dealership we come across Max Kirwin Mazda in Preston so we took a while to look at the cars, found nothing interesting there so we moved on, I got to the dealer and the Mazda had sold on me 20 minutes earlier, quite ****ed off I went to the BMW and opened the door, but it dropped in my hand and alarm bells started ringing, the AUDI there also had water in the oil, the only other manual car they had was a SS Commodore.

So very ****ed off, my parents talk me into buying a new car, so I go into a Ford dealership and lay down $18,000 of my own hard earned on a car I don't like.

Long story short, I'm out $18,000 and stuck with a car I REALLY don't like. If you're buying the car, get what ever its your cash, your descision but if its HIS money like in my situation, talk it over and look for something HE wants.

Also you won't get raped as hard with a used car as you will with something new like me on depreciation.

Thats my story of my first car.

Couldnt have been looking too hard, BlackBa sold his immaculate Ba Xr6 manual, lowered, tint, XR8 bonnet, 19's etc for $14,ooo.

buickman · 03-11-2009, 04:22 PM

An EF/EL or AU on gas would be a good choice with air bags and fairly cheap to maintain.

I'm using a 2000 model 4 cyl Camry as an everyday driver to work and shopping centres. ( cars not mine )
It averages 560-600 Kim’s out of a tank around the city and the boot is bigger than the Ford but the turning circle is woeful and it’s not a car that attracts attention but does not have street creed for a young male driver who likes to show off a bit. But they are very reliable and cheap to repair which is a consideration for a young person not earning a great wage for a 1st car.

2.8L Hilux · 03-11-2009, 06:46 PM

I had a 94 2.8L Hilux Diesel (hence the username) as my first car. There was no being a hoon in that thing. Had a top speed of 115 and took about 25 seconds to get there ;)
It was as tough as nails and was really good on fuel. I couldn't recomend one more...

ZDI-970 · 03-11-2009, 07:28 PM

i tend to have a thing against utes... to many bogans driving around my town with massive truck bullbars and massive lights and antennas.. they look so crap!

Franco Cozzo · 03-11-2009, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jcxr

Couldnt have been looking too hard, BlackBa sold his immaculate Ba Xr6 manual, lowered, tint, XR8 bonnet, 19's etc for $14,ooo.

I had been looking VERY hard, he put his up a few months after I bought my car which REALLY ****ed me off because after looking and looking, something finally had come up. No one wants to sell the manuals in that price range, all the autos are like $12-$13K and the manuals were $17.5K plus. I had one offer for $15,000 but the car had 150,000km+ on it with no service books at all, I wasn't going to risk that.

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Originally Posted by Hords

I would think a BF XR6 is going to cost a sh7tload more to insure than the corolla for a new licence holder.

No its not, its all about the same regardless of the car, which is what I found out when it come to comprehensive insurance with justcar, everything was about the $2200-$3000 a year mark with huge excess no matter what it was. BA Falcon/Fairlane to R34 Skyline/JZA80 Supra/Nissan 300ZX which are the "hoon" cars we apparently always kill ourselves in.

**buggerlugs** · 04-11-2009, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by D3v[]

i tend to have a thing against utes... to many bogans driving around my town with massive truck bullbars and massive lights and antennas.. they look so crap!

Yeah, but it's sooooooo handy having a family member with a ute !!! How did/do the BA -BF's handle the gas ?

Fev · 04-11-2009, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by bfiipursuit

Thats still only worth 2 grand in 6 months time when hes sick of it.. Yeh real smart!

Not really - these cars are getting harder and harder to find in good nick and good condition examples sell pretty well. Drifters/racers want them for their light weight, rwd and cheap costs.

Have you seen what a Datto 1600 in good condition is worth nowdays? soon the Ke rolla's will be heading that way too..

tankclare · 04-11-2009, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BPXR6T

Panel van. Keep him busy entertaining the ladies instead of his mates.

My first car was a XF Panelvan that was shaved, 15%tint, lowered with mags. The day i got my L's i drove it straight from the RTA to an exhaust place and had extractors and a 2.25inch sports exhaust put on it. The big girl wasn't the quickest off the line but dont get me wrong it could easily bounce off the other end of the speedo. But in all seriousness I felt safe as anything in that big girl. It handled and could take corners better than a lot of cars I have driven and sat flat on the road. I had fun fixing little issues that came up and learnt from it. Also played a bit with stereos etc and had the bed in the back. I STILL MISS IT.

I would recommend an XD-AU as a first car especially the E-series as others have said before. My EF Fairmont Ghia (2nd car and still own) has more than enough power as it has the tickford 6 (same motor etc as XR6), LSD, full electrics, Leather and so and cheap as chips not to mention strong. I have hit 3 kangaroos in it (1 across the bonnet, 1 into the passenger front gaurd and 1 in the front then under the car) and not a single dent. Hit 4 in mums car at similar speed and holy crap! $$$$ My EF engine, gearbox etc is easy to work on if need be but have never really had to except to replace the harmo. The thing is nearly indestructable. Well so far anyway touch wood.

We just bought my little brother his first car 2 weeks ago. It's a 1994 VR Commodore with a short shifted 5 speed, power chip, 18s, extractors & 2.5 inch exhaust, leather interior and lowered. More than enough power to kill himself (can pull 190-200 in fourth) but it will and has had its issues already so he is learning about cars amd fixing them at same time. First day home it threw the belt which in turn went under the harmo and smashed the crank angle sensor to pieces. A little investigating and parts and its all fixed. He is learning anyway.

But in all seriousness let him choose the car he wants and go from there. No matter what car you have they can all be "hooned" wether it be a BA-BF or a little datto. My thoughts are to go for a car that has proven strength and won't break down, easy to work on and cheap parts if need be. A little mitsubishi or something may seem cheap but wait until you need some new parts lol. A decent size car like a falcon or commodore are good. The ute thing is a good idea to because you can't have too many passengers although people jumping on the back etc for rides can be a pain in the butt.

CHOICES CHOICES CHOICES.....

scoupedy · 04-11-2009, 10:30 AM

Hes a lucky kid isn't he... i worked and saved during my school holidays and got a heap of that cost $900 to buy (xb 250 sedan) and $3000 to keep on the road for two years my parents wouldn't even loan me money to buy a better car.
so if you want a spoilt kid that doesn't have to works his arsss off for a piece of get him the BF otherwise be like my parents and let them buy whatever they can afford.

**buggerlugs** · 04-11-2009, 10:59 AM

He's started working part time and has saved some money already. And he knows he has to pay at least half back to his old man. He's pretty responsible, not interested in drinking like most of his mates....