new hsv for 2008 - Page 2

Casablanca · 07-01-2008, 11:38 AM

it all comes down to rumours its all wait and see otherwise.

whales · 07-01-2008, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by sleekism

Yes I have a sneaking suspicion that HSV are going to coincide the release of their new 325kw 6.2L LS3 with the launch of the Orion Falcon and the supposed FPV GT 320kw.

I think the BOSS290 is reaching the end of it's development in NA guise which means the only roue after that is superchargers. Somehow I think FPV and HSV have a silent agreement of no superchargers so if FPV goes supercharged you can imagine how the power wars are going to explode.

Ford is really going to have to pull something big come Orion launch or they will continue to sell at half Holdens rate.

I say we need two things:

1) FPV GTR-twin turbo Barra, AWD, 350kw+
2)FPV GTHO-Shelby Mustang GT500KR V8, 400kw??

People may call this madness but back in 67 the idea of a four door GT was thought of as madness

One thing Ford will have to do is ADVERTISE!! AT present I dont see many ads for Fords on the idiot box, in fact I can't remember the last time i saw an ad for Falcon, Fairlane, Ltd and they wonder why they don't sell. Even the new Mondeo or the Focus are hardly ever advertised yet Holden are still bragging about all the awards the VE won back in 2006/07.

Ford need to spend some money on advertising to bolster flagging sales

gtfpv · 07-01-2008, 12:02 PM

mmmmmmmm imagine an FPV WITH AN ALLOY 7 LITRE BLOCK.. GO HOLDEN !!!

tex · 07-01-2008, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CDAA

Sounds exciting to me. If HSV can build and sell them then good for the enthusiast. And for those that wonder why anyone would 'need' 385kW's o the street? Well I have around 530kW's and I can tell you that there is no need at all. It's all about desire, not a necessity. You would hope that those that can afford to have that type of power in that type of car would have the type of maturity and respect to manage it. Having said that there is always exceptions...

Thats the truth.

When I picked up my XR from service late last year there was a beuatiful black VE GTS sitting in the workshop less engine....

I enquired about it and the mechanics cracked up and just shook there heads.

Seems wealthy owner fitted a Vortech, intercooler, upgraded fuel system etc etc.... got in excess of 375rwkw. Less than a week later after circle work in a PADDOCK, she's rooted ...... said paddock was about an inch deep in water after heavy rain and resulted in Chev 6lt drinking great gob fulls of muddy water and hydraulicing - good bye piston or three.......

I thought this was a shocking waste of a nice drivetrain.

sleekism · 07-01-2008, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by gtfpv

mmmmmmmm imagine an FPV WITH AN ALLOY 7 LITRE BLOCK.. GO HOLDEN !!!

Imagine a FPV GTHO with a V10

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Rev28K · 07-01-2008, 01:29 PM

It might make it more viable if they can export it to the USA and other countries like the Monaro. Bigger numbers/customers equals more dollars to spend on engineering (and maybe drag the cost down a bit for us). I can definitely see this thing selling in America as a headlining Pontiac G8 variant (LHD doesn’t worry the clearance problems either).

4V man – I thought that CSV had secondary manufacturer status and the Wheels article mentioned that the conversion was complied and met all ADR’s.

[Tonko] · 07-01-2008, 01:42 PM

Geezus freaking christ!!! Can we have one thread where "NEW GTHO" is not mentioned?
People saying 'oh lets just give it 400kw and AWD, too easy! damn you Ford for not doing it"
Do you people think before you type?

Fev · 07-01-2008, 01:59 PM

The LS2 and the LS7 is the same engine, just bored out and stroked isnt it?

sleekism · 07-01-2008, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by [Tonko]

Geezus freaking christ!!! Can we have one thread where "NEW GTHO" is not mentioned?
People saying 'oh lets just give it 400kw and AWD, too easy! damn you Ford for not doing it"
Do you people think before you type?

FPV could do it they just need a good boot to get them moving.

I'm sure the 5.6 litre Windsor stroker was considered madness before HSV brang along the 300kw GTS.

I'm sure FPV have many ideas locked away in a vault somewhere waiting until they desperately need to compete with HSV.

vztrt · 07-01-2008, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by whales

Even the new Mondeo or the Focus are hardly ever advertised yet Holden are still bragging about all the awards the VE won back in 2006/07.

Ford need to spend some money on advertising to bolster flagging sales

You obviously didn't watch the cricket then.

whales · 07-01-2008, 03:42 PM

Unfortunalty I didn't see the cricket, and from your reponse I assume Ford advertised a fair bit during the test, which is about time and hopefully it will continue

vztrt · 07-01-2008, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by whales

Unfortunalty I didn't see the cricket, and from your reponse I assume Ford advertised a fair bit during the test, which is about time and hopefully it will continue

It was a flood of KFC and Ford add's.

FordFella · 07-01-2008, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

It was a flood of KFC and Ford add's.

That head and shoulders one was on more where I live.

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As far as HSV is concerned, they are basically only toying with the idea of a LS7. They've got a couple of cars running them - meh. I bet that Ford Aus has got a bunch of Duratec Falcons buzzing about - and those aren't due for another 2 years!

Rob Barrett has openly admitted that he'll do an Orion GT-HO - and you can bet that it will outgun whatever HSV has released. BTW, I'm talking 2-3 years down the track, when the next-gen Boss is due.

Daymoe · 07-01-2008, 06:26 PM

Honestly, $120,000? Would you even bother with a Ford or Holden for that much? I'd get some exotic luxury car. Also, 385kw of power? WTH would you use that for? 0 to 100 to tree in under 5 seconds.

Reminds me of the Mhz war between Intel and AMD a little while ago.

duaned · 07-01-2008, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BF XR8

Are you related to Harrold Scrubby

In short, NO! I had to do a google search to find out who he is! But what I am is a law abiding citizen, and drive within the extent of the law! With a comment like yours, I assume you don't?

T3ts50 · 07-01-2008, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by FordFella

Rob Barrett has openly admitted that he'll do an Orion GT-HO - and you can bet that it will outgun whatever HSV has released. BTW, I'm talking 2-3 years down the track, when the next-gen Boss is due.

Rod Barrett said he'd onlly do a GTHO if it lived up to the legend. There is no guarantee on one though.

colossus · 08-01-2008, 08:22 AM

If you can't work out what to do with 385kw you don't belong on a performance car forum...

Why do people go skydiving?
Why do people ride sportsbikes?
Why do people buy 60" plasma t.v.'s?
Why do people buy $5000 watches?

You don't need any of that stuff either...

tapeworm · 08-01-2008, 01:04 PM

Human being success = excess and overkill possessions

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Geoff EL 4.0 · 08-01-2008, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by sleekism

Imagine a FPV GTHO with a V10

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Personally you cant beat the sound that a V8 makes, if i was going to buy a performance car it would be a V8 or and I6 with turbo or mods etcc
I dont want my car to sound similar to a Formula 1 car i want grunt :evil3:
thats just my thoughts,if ford brought out a car with a V10 i would not get one(even if i had the money) no matter how fast it was.

sleekism · 08-01-2008, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 90sFTW

Honestly, $120,000? Would you even bother with a Ford or Holden for that much? I'd get some exotic luxury car. Also, 385kw of power? WTH would you use that for? 0 to 100 to tree in under 5 seconds.

Reminds me of the Mhz war between Intel and AMD a little while ago.

Well people are willing to pay money for the new Datsun GTR.

Power sells, even if the torque curve is hopeless and max power is delivered up n the redline people will be proud of having more ponies. Heck I remember people bragging about who has the most power back in year11 and we are talking about Lancers and Corollas (my Laser proudly produced 76kw).

If HSV brings out the GTSR or FPV the GTHO at the very least it's got to be faster than the new Datsun GTR in a straight line. I don't care if it understeers like a pig the HO has to be faster than the Datsun.

It's a hero car it doesn't have to do anything. It just has to make a bazillion horsepower and pose for photographs.

ebxr82nv · 08-01-2008, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by davway

Euro 4 emissions which are pretty damn hard to meet. that hard the Ford I6 is to be dropped because of it.

the i6 was dropped not just because of the emissions but more that it wont fit under the bonnet of the 2010 model. with increasing preasure from road saftey groups about pedestrian impact managment the v6 is a better alternative i.e. more room for crumple zones. they just cant see the point on further development on the best 6 cyl motor available locally when they can take the ford(easy)way out and save themselves a coulpe of million$ in the process, not to mention the wages they will save when they sack all those extra workers!

4Vman · 08-01-2008, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by sleekism

If HSV brings out the GTSR or FPV the GTHO at the very least it's got to be faster than the new Datsun GTR in a straight line. I don't care if it understeers like a pig the HO has to be faster than the Datsun.

WHY? totally different vehicles designed for and aimed at totally different markets...
There's allways going to be a car that faster and quicker bla bla... i don't understand all the self manipulation going on about some mid sized 2 door japanese sports coupe...
HSV/FPV make large 4 door performance sedans, atleast compare apples with apples.....

Bossxr8 · 08-01-2008, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ebxr82nv

the i6 was dropped not just because of the emissions but more that it wont fit under the bonnet of the 2010 model. with increasing preasure from road saftey groups about pedestrian impact managment the v6 is a better alternative i.e. more room for crumple zones. they just cant see the point on further development on the best 6 cyl motor available locally when they can take the ford(easy)way out and save themselves a coulpe of million$ in the process, not to mention the wages they will save when they sack all those extra workers!

So the 2008 model Orion with the straight 6 will be so different from the 2010 model that the engine won't fit. BS. The bonnets will probably be the same, it will only be slightly different from the Orion, but with new engines. I wouldn't expect sheetmetal changes until the new version in 2012.

It came down to economies of scale, nothing to do with emissions. The straight 6 could have been made Euro 4 compliant with the right money, the problem was getting the initial R&D costs back for compliance would be way more expensive than just fitting the V6. I know, i'm one of the workers losing my job.

Bossxr8 · 08-01-2008, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

WHY? totally different vehicles designed for and aimed at totally different markets...
There's allways going to be a car that faster and quicker bla bla... i don't understand all the self manipulation going on about some mid sized 2 door japanese sports coupe...
HSV/FPV make large 4 door performance sedans, atleast compare apples with apples.....

Exactly. There is no chance a Falcon could even get close to the GTR's 0-100 time of around 3.5 secs anyway, it doesn't have the traction of the GTR's AWD and would be a real hassle to get of the line without blazing the tyres.

sleekism · 08-01-2008, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Exactly. There is no chance a Falcon could even get close to the GTR's 0-100 time of around 3.5 secs anyway, it doesn't have the traction of the GTR's AWD and would be a real hassle to get of the line without blazing the tyres.

Are you forgetting that given the Falcon and Territory are built on the same platform it's quite possible that you could have a Falcon with AWD.

Get a Falcon, add AWD and the 400kw Shelby Mustang GT500KR motor and there you go.

Only problem is that the Datsun GTR is globally exported while the GTHO will have to be viable in a local market.

4Vman · 08-01-2008, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by sleekism

Are you forgetting that given the Falcon and Territory are built on the same platform it's quite possible that you could have a Falcon with AWD.

Get a Falcon, add AWD and the 400kw Shelby Mustang GT500KR motor and there you go.

Only problem is that the Datsun GTR is globally exported while the GTHO will have to be viable in a local market.

400kw 4wd performance Falcon??

oh my sides...

Bossxr8 · 08-01-2008, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sleekism

Are you forgetting that given the Falcon and Territory are built on the same platform it's quite possible that you could have a Falcon with AWD.

Get a Falcon, add AWD and the 400kw Shelby Mustang GT500KR motor and there you go.

Only problem is that the Datsun GTR is globally exported while the GTHO will have to be viable in a local market.

Holden and Mitsubishi proved how much of a dead end AWD sedans can be, they both failed to sell in numbers large enough to make back the initial development costs. It won't happen.

4Vman · 08-01-2008, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Holden and Mitsubishi proved how much of a dead end AWD sedans can be, they both failed to sell in numbers large enough to make back the initial development costs. It won't happen.

HSV Coupe 4 anyone...? It was a poor selling underperforming thanks to AWD expensive DUD.

whales · 08-01-2008, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

WHY? totally different vehicles designed for and aimed at totally different markets...
There's allways going to be a car that faster and quicker bla bla... i don't understand all the self manipulation going on about some mid sized 2 door japanese sports coupe...
HSV/FPV make large 4 door performance sedans, atleast compare apples with apples.....

Exactly.......I agree with your comment 100%

sleekism · 08-01-2008, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Holden and Mitsubishi proved how much of a dead end AWD sedans can be, they both failed to sell in numbers large enough to make back the initial development costs. It won't happen.

I go by a rule:

0-150kw :Front Wheel Drive Makes sense

150-350kw :RWD makes sense

350kw+ AWD makes sense

You may call me an idiot but once you start getting over 350kw an AWD proves faster while sub 300kw AWD cars will prove slower than their RWD counterparts.

Unless you want 50 inch wide rubber on your 400kw GTHO