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Yeah just had a look at the last few flights it made back and fourth between Amsterdam and Kuala Lumpur.
Sad that this could all just be because they mistook it for a spy plane that they thought has been watching them.
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Got a feeling that you could be right. They mistook it for a spy plane after seeing it all week
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This remind me of the movie Hunt for red October when at the end of the movie the Russian delegate is in the guys office
" what did you loose another submarine" I feel for the family's to loose some one like this is very sad my condolences to them
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Let us just pray that this appalling attack on innocents doesn't escalate into something far worse?
And that history doesn't repeat what occurred almost 100 years ago to the day I am 100% with in that one with sanctions being set by both America and Russia is that why both www wars started too many sanctions being put on Germany
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Seriously bad mistake made by some wannebees who have been supplied with state of the art SAM technology.
Knew enough to target the plane but not enough to ping the planes transponder for an ID. Either that or they did and didnt care.
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XWGT It look like the worst situation possible with a untrained radical with one of man most dangerous weapons and only basic skills in how to use it ,
And they have more of them so god only knows what will happen next . scarey situation
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war...what is it good for, absolutely nothing.
WRONG! #1 in the money making jobs so sad for hundreds of family and friends, who will get **** all explanation for the next 6 months while these idiots in charge dither about trying to get 'facts' Opposition Leader Bill Shorten described the Australian deaths as "murder". stupid comment
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Cue World War 3, with all the **** going on all over the world at the moment it's near inevitable.
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Why would you fly directly over a war zone? Was this an accountants idea, lets save $x by flying over here instead of going around?
How much $$$ did you save now? I thought it would be common sense not to fly over a war zone, just in case something like this occurs. Strike 2 for Malaysian Airways, their board of directors should he held accountable for this too, maybe they should be facing the firing squad with the people who shot it down? |
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Honestly, the world is prepped for another war. Libya, North Korea, Afghanistan etc. A balance is needed and war usually sorts out the population problems too. At 33,000 feet with many airliners flying over that route, come on now.
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American Airlines seems to have issued a statement saying they're going to avoid the area? Why it was OK before this happened? 33,000 feet or on the ground its still a stupid idea, then they cry foul play when something goes wrong, in a WAR ZONE. |
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Agree that there shouldn't be planes flying around these areas, but it's a logistical nightmare and when bean counters are involved... The route where this plane flew was already restricted at above 32,000 feet.
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![]() Al Jazeera is reporting that anywhere up to 80% of the separatists are Russian soldiers and i believe them. The complex attacks and tactics they are using isn't something that your average malitia could pull together. Doing an advanced ambush with 90 soldiers in order to execute a complex attack on platoons of Ukraine soldiers requires lots of discipline, as does the fire support needed to pull off the attack. From what i have been reading Russian special forces are already causing carnage to the Ukraine soldiers. In regards to flying over a war zones, all airlines do it, and they regularly fly over places that have surface to air capabilities. You would never get to where you needed to go if you couldn't fly over these zones. There is a lot more conflict going on in the world than most people realise, there is other places besides the western world, just Australia chooses not to report on it. Some food for thought. |
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Buk SAM is very complex, so they either half knew what they were doing by locking and firing but not pinging the target or they were completely capable, pinged the target and still didn't care. Considering they have shot down a number of AN-26's recently including one in the same location at the same time they sound like they had just enough training to be dangerous.....
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This war zone is a little different to other hot-spots around the globe where pilots climb as fast as they can to avoid a chance of getting taken out with an RPG, like in Iraq, Pakistan and so on.
In Ukraine, Military/Cargo planes have been shot down on numerous occasions, and at altitudes that commercial planes operate in. The rebels have been accumulating weapons from the Russians and commandeered from the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Maybe the intelligence took longer to filter through to some countries than others. |
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The guys at Gruen Transfer don't need to ask "What Would Putin Do?" if the scenario is a commecial airliner with close to 300 innocent people on board is flying overhead.
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Too much of this happening lately, but I suppose the sheep don't really care...
It's a sad old world when you can no longer trust what you're being told by those in the position of power. I may be over reacting, but from my perspective, I see this happening from my management at work, up through the levels to our PM, and it scares me as to how our future is going to turn out. Ed ![]()
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Why do airlines risk the safety of their customers by flying over war zones? I feel that Malaysian Airlines has more questions to answer than the guy who shot the aircraft down. There has already been a few military aircraft shot down in that region so i don't understand why the airliners fly over it.
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American aircraft were told not too fly over Ukraine in April none have done since, what did America know then ??
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This news has been going around all day.....Sad day for us aussies.
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sad for all parties involved in this waste of life.
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With respect, it's a sad day for a lot more than just "us Aussies".
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Takes a bit more then a separatist rpg to shoot down an airliner at 33000 feet, keen to see how Putin eventually deals with this fact.
I feel for the families, I got that same 911 cold wash when I turned on the tv this morning. Civilians getting dragged into a war for the sake of war.
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that was the point i was trying to make in a subtle manner
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