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Mostly lack of foot and foot coordination. Typically, when they stop, they forget to press the clutch and just put their foot on the brake till it stops/stalls.
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Also, you're one of the few that make the switch and do so effectively by the sounds of it. Its not something that happens often.
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But the current 3 pedal arrangement (or 2 if auto) didn't become mainstream till the 30's. Even though their was a one year only Cadillac that had that arrangement in about 1917, or there about. Before then there were a number of different ways the manufacturers had in terms of pedal, steering and gear changing arrangements. Would have made it a real pain to switch from car to car, not knowing how they were set up. Cause they were mostly all different. |
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Most have figured out that picking the right gear to start with and picking the right time to shift have zero problems at all, those that have never been able to master the operation (or can't be assed) have moved to Auto's.... ![]()
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Stick is still preferred by many many users, the obvious auto 4x4 owner is the "look at me" newbies.
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Sprintey good thread.
OH look out the next big thing EV's will kill ICE cars values. Well obviously the garden varieties like anything BUT isn't this the same as every big "change" that has occured in the past - everything prior is outdated not loved or wanted. Well it baffles me over the last 50yrs how much some cars are still worth decade by decade. Yep they are so far behind the times its not funny BUT there is and will always be a % of humans that keep something old alive, and that will be happenning long into EV's coming into our worlds.
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Its like saying Manuals are fun in Sydney Traffic. Sure, Manuals are fun but lets be honest, in Sydney traffic, we've all wished for an Auto some days. Done Fraser in both an Auto and Manual and can't say one was better than the other. It was just easier in the Auto. Low Range in manual did nothing for me either!
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My apologies, I'm forever discounting the Latte sipping set...
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No latte, but I could drink the roadhouse coffee whilst driving through towns
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Look at my BA XR8 or BA GT's. They haven't made any money for the buyers. Even the TS still sell for below what they cost new even with the COVID tax. Through in inflation, even if you sold for what you bought, you're behind. The ones that make money are the exotics! The GTHO and cars like that. Even a regular Hardtop that sells for $150k is still not ahead when you consider the other costs to keep it going for the 50 odd years. So you'd need to find something really special. Really special.
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I bought my kids a fiat with manual last year, specifically to teach them how to drive a manual, as every other car I have is an auto. My 17 year old, the oldest of 4 boys, really is struggling to grasp the concept. Which really s#### me to tears. It really is a generational thing isn’t it. They can press buttons on a small plastic controller, like you would not believe. But add three pedals and only two feet, LOOK OUT.
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Go exploring the yeagerup dunes in WA and you will see it all the time. Not saying it can’t be done in a manual but the auto makes it so much easier with less track damage as a bonus. Or you’re just driving the easy dunes haha!! |
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The real reason i need to get into a manual was back then we had two cars, and being lowly paid at the time my girlfriend (who now is my wife) had a manual Mazda 121. My ED falcon had an engine problem so we offloaded that and i had to learn quick smart how to drive a Manual or not drive any car at all. I think it takes time and patience which most people do not have anymore...hell people even yell when their coffee is 5 minutes late after ordering it. As i said before i enjoy them now, bar stop-start traffic and its good to know that you can hop into any vehicle and not worry if you can drive it or not. I think it is also a good theft deterrent against 17 year old hodlums that like stealing cars for a joyride??? ![]()
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The later ones like mine are fairly easy to start with the electric starter. Give her a bit of throttle on the left, retard your spark on the right, hit the starter and then just advance you timing to suit.. Push your handbrake half forward and that puts you in low gear, then simply push your left pedal to the floor and adjust your speed with your hand throttle. To go into top gear, you push your handbrake fully forward and take you foot of the left peddle and once again adjust your speed with the hand throttle.. Might sound complicated but it’s actually not and I must admit driving a Model T Ford is one of the more enjoyable experiences driving a motor car.. Anyone who can drive a manual car, normally I can teach the to drive a Model T within half an hour. Trying to teach someone to drive a manual H pattern car after driving auto’s most of the time.. Hopeless! And wouldn’t even bother with the T..
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Most of the talk above is about Falcon type vehicles, and what they might be worth in 20 years.
I read an article a few years ago and it really made me think. It was saying the wealthy middle-aged businessman paying oodles for the 1971 GTHO is really buying his teenage dream car, now he can afford it. But the question was what will today's teens and twenties want in 20 years time, what is their dream car now? The suggested answer was the younger gen hardly know what a GT Falcon is, let alone want one. Their dreams are all about high performance turbos, Japanese probably, and listing cars like WRX, Nissan, Mitsubishi EVOs, etc. And for a lot of that gen they don't have the money to buy one now, or maybe raising the family is coming first (as it was for most of us), and one day they will find they have some spare cash and lust after a restored WRX or EVO, and pay big money for it. Mind you, there are plenty of these on the road, and not so many special low production models like the GTHO, but there were plenty of GTs on the road when I was 20 too (50 years ago). Anyway, the article was good for me, I walked out to the back carport and started up my 2004 Subi WRX (Petter Solberg Special Edition), in absolutely original trim, no mods, even has the original exhaust system, no engine chip, classic Subaru Blue and in pristine body condition. I bought it off my son when it was 10 years old, no body damage, no major mechanical repairs, currently on 150k kms. When I bought it I joined the WRX club, and the first question was what mods has it got? When I said none, and it's not getting any, the club guys laughingly said it will end up being the only WRX around that hasn't been modified - it's like a disease with these guys - they have to modify. Well, if it's the only original one around, I'm not going to complain when I go to sell it, although I'll probably leave it back to my son in the end. I didn't buy it as an investment, I bought it because I love driving it, and when I retired I was going to restore a fairly recent sports car or something, and when the WRX was available I grabbed it. So far it's worth about 2/3 what I paid for it, but who knows in 20 years time, my grandson certainly has his eye on it! IMO, that's the type of car which will regain value before the next wave which will be Electrics. Oh, that I still had the 289 XR in my possession! Just dreaming, eh? Cheers.
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My Dad was brought up with Model T's and he had a few stories, the most common being reversing up steep hills as the fuel was gravity fed - is that correct? You've got a special car there my friend! Cheers.
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I’ve had my share of manual 4x4s over the last 20yrs, wouldn’t go back to manual now. |
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A while back I bought a rodded 1928 A model, it originally cost $120k to have it built, I paid half of that for it, I'd like to think it's gone back up in value a little.
Young people love it because it is shiny, loud and cool Older people respect it because they know what it is Will it's value ever be what it cost to build, I doubt it, the cost of fuel will likely put an end to being able to afford to drive it.....
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I’ve never stated it’s any harder or easier to drive one or the other, but I do take a big exception when I hear some still wet behind the ears twit (not you ![]() ![]() I won’t get into the ruined long weekend recovering the auto Landcruiser on Eighty Mile Beach….. ![]()
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This is why I can't wait for EV's with no gearbox! 100% torque at 0 RPM. No need for transfer case either. Though charging will be interesting in the more remote areas but would work for my use cases like Fraser!
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