FPV GT to be killed off early

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Eaturbo

If they do bring back the XR8, I hope they do it as the 315kw and a XR8 Sprint with 335kw. Now I bet you would get some people line up for a new XR8 Sprint.

Someone knows something here.

Originally Posted by GT

Russell and I are attending with 3 other chosen AFF Members and that would say to me that the information could hardly be kept quiet. We are understanding that we will be able to report back that very evening and there have been no indications of any cloak and dagger cover ups. Give Ford a chance to tell us what they want to say and even if there is an embargo, I would assume it will be for a short period of hours allowing them to make a Press release perhaps.

Gaela

I take it that Ford want to discuss post Falcon products here, and I would not be surprised if they did not say anything about the Falcon and Territory. They may provide a scoop at the 2014 Falcon and what it looks like but I can't see them discussing anything more than that.

Originally Posted by futura

If Ford are serious about building a new XR8, then they should build and develop its own N/A engine . Building a XR8 with GT parts (engine/gearbox etc) is my eyes is a slap in the face of all GT owners that have supported Ford/FPV who have handed over put their hard earned cash. The supercharged miami engine was specifical build for the GT and putting this engine into any other car that doesnt carry the GT badge is like giving your own kid to another family.

I rather see Ford drop the V8 than use the Miami engine out of the GT.

They have done this before, EB GT to XR8 Sprint was basically the same engine, and the Fairlane by Tickford was nearly the same as the EL GT. This will be quite ironic come next year.

[Auslandau]

Serious question though .......... Wouldn't it cost the same to make a GT as it would an XR8 ....... or is the GT badge made from Plutonium and the XR8 badge is chewed bubble gum?

If they can turn the GT into an XR8 with the same drive line including Super Charged engine and charge $49,000 ...... wouldn't common sense say that it would be easier to just slash and burn the price of the GT? Sales wise a GT at that price would sell more than the XR8 just on badge cred alone? Not dismissing what the XR8 is of course but the GT is and always will be 'the' model of the Falcon to the absolute majority, despite what some youngens think

Missing something here me thinks.

[stockFPV6]

Listen to us XR8 or GT there not the same, cant be compared

If they make an XR8 with a FG GT motor and sell it sub 50k great, if the make a last GT that out powers the HSV GTS excellent if the keep the FPV badge and it gets placed on a 5.8SC mustang like the one on wheels magazine fantabulous

Other then that what's there to discuss lol

Remember when Ford stopped selling V8 lol

[Polyal]

For me its got nothing to do with sales, whats necessarily really right etc, its about respect and dignity. Unfortunately two things that seem to get lost in the commercialism of today, perhaps im old school in that regard. That doesnt mean spend with reckless abandon, but give a nod to the model that actually made you in this country.

Looking forward to how Ford achieve this over the next few years.

[FPV8U]

The difference between a possible XR8 and XR8 Sprint pack would be a badge, a set of Brembos and a ECU tune difference in the power levels.

A XR8 to GT would require unique interior with GT seats, GT gauge cluster, GT steering wheel, Front spoiler, Rear spoiler, Side skirts, Rear Wing, Wheels and brakes, possibly unique suspension tune.

Would those requesting a GT be happy with a XR6 with a GT Engine and badges, because thats what Ford sound to be budgeting to build, whether we like it or not.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

The difference between a possible XR8 and XR8 Sprint pack would be a badge, a set of Brembos and a ECU tune difference in the power levels.

A XR8 to GT would require unique interior with GT seats, GT gauge cluster, GT steering wheel, Front spoiler, Rear spoiler, Side skirts, Rear Wing, Wheels and brakes, possibly unique suspension tune.

Would those requesting a GT be happy with a XR6 with a GT Engine and badges, because thats what Ford sound to be budgeting to build, whether we like it or not.

There isn't much difference between a GT and a Falcon XR6 ..... in fact they have less than the G6E ...... the G6ET actually slaughters the stock GT for accessories ...... and still has the gauges in all the same places. Steering wheel??? Same as G6E as well. Wheels? Like they have previously, carry over them. Many change to something else, they now have the 275's in production? I like the GT rims, haven't changed mine but new wheels are not that hard to achieve. There are parts bins from the US. They aren't going to put different wheels onto a new XR8? Seats? They are not going to do XR8 seats in leather with the embroidery? They are not going to put a spoiler on it? They are not going to put side thingys on it? They are not going to put a boost gauge in it?

Brembos cost a bit but they are expected to be on the XR8 as well? To get it to the price, that would be the first thing that goes. AND then see the reaction with stock brakes!

There isnt that much to change. They will still have the G6ET ..... stick the 335 in that, a few subtle changes and there is a GT ...... with a slight change to 351 and bingo. Something a little fitting for the last run ......

[stockFPV6]

Where did the XR8 sprint come form??? Sound like Toyota

[flappist]

Originally Posted by stockFPV6

Where did the XR8 sprint come form??? Sound like Toyota

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=e...w=1680&bih=949

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

There isn't much difference between a GT and a Falcon XR6 ..... in fact they have less than the G6E ...... the G6ET actually slaughters the stock GT for accessories ...... and still has the gauges in all the same places. Steering wheel??? Same as G6E as well. Wheels? Like they have previously, carry over them. Many change to something else, they now have the 275's in production? I like the GT rims, haven't changed mine but new wheels are not that hard to achieve. There are parts bins from the US. They aren't going to put different wheels onto a new XR8? Seats? They are not going to do XR8 seats in leather with the embroidery? They are not going to put a spoiler on it? They are not going to put side thingys on it? They are not going to put a boost gauge in it?

Brembos cost a bit but they are expected to be on the XR8 as well? To get it to the price, that would be the first thing that goes. AND then see the reaction with stock brakes!

There isnt that much to change. They will still have the G6ET ..... stick the 335 in that, a few subtle changes and there is a GT ...... with a slight change to 351 and bingo. Something a little fitting for the last run ......

I meant that people expect Unique components for all i listed, the XR8 will have Bodykit, Spoiler, Ect but they will be the same as XR6 & 6T meaning zero development cost outside of the normal.

[bigwil]

Originally Posted by stockFPV6

Where did the XR8 sprint come form??? Sound like Toyota

XR8 Sprint was an ED tickford model and also didn't Ford put the BF GT motor into the FG XR8 or very similar.

[Auslandau]

Yep .... agree ..... but still, the FG GT has very minimal difference from the G6 ..... If this cannot be done economically and with some class (as opposed to the over ripe HSV;s of late) I am sure it would be fitting to wear the GT tag.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

Serious question though .......... Wouldn't it cost the same to make a GT as it would an XR8 ....... or is the GT badge made from Plutonium and the XR8 badge is chewed bubble gum?

If they can turn the GT into an XR8 with the same drive line including Super Charged engine and charge $49,000 ...... wouldn't common sense say that it would be easier to just slash and burn the price of the GT? Sales wise a GT at that price would sell more than the XR8 just on badge cred alone? Not dismissing what the XR8 is of course but the GT is and always will be 'the' model of the Falcon to the absolute majority, despite what some youngens think

Missing something here me thinks.

How can you build an XR6 with a V8 and badge it as a GT.... We have heard enough people rattle on about how the GS was too similar to XR6 that it could not quantify such a price difference.

Ford does not have the cash to make a GT style body kit. Therefore the only option is to make the XR8... If they do make 2 models then no doubt one will have the bigger motor and all the fruit.

No doubt they will bring the mustang GT in prior to Falcons memorial to fill a void.

[joeyy17]

So.... GT, i like GT.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by DASH GT

Ford does not have the cash to make a GT style body kit. Therefore the only option is to make the XR8... If they do make 2 models then no doubt one will have the bigger motor and all the fruit.

Dont have the cash? Now now, lets not pretend they are lining up at Centrelink. They have the means, whether they profit or lose from here on in with the Falcon is a mute point really.

They can keep it simple, concentrate on areas that make a difference. If anyone thinks just an engine sells a car then they are crazy, miami wipes the floor with HSV other than this GTS unicorn, but its the package, and more importantly the styling that sells a car.

But by all means, badge up a XR8, we know it would be a good deal, inexpensive muscle...but most wont care and you will really tick off the current GT owners.

[Charliewool]

What was the price on the XR50t sedans? 47k?
Piano black dash, colour dual zone, premo sound, full leather, etc.
Stuff that GT never got.
335 in that with brakes and wam bam alakazam, we have the new GT!

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by DASH GT

How can you build an XR6 with a V8 and badge it as a GT.... We have heard enough people rattle on about how the GS was too similar to XR6 that it could not quantify such a price difference.

Ford does not have the cash to make a GT style body kit. Therefore the only option is to make the XR8... If they do make 2 models then no doubt one will have the bigger motor and all the fruit.

No doubt they will bring the mustang GT in prior to Falcons memorial to fill a void.

Well OK then ..... if they do not have the pennies & in the scheme of things, I DO mean pennies, then do what Pottery has said in the deleted thread above ..... but in a more mild way, why bother with another model? Just bring on the imports, the Mustang, the EcoSport, Mondeo etc. If they cannot have enough spare change in the budget to build a slightly different body kit ..... and I mean slightly ...... then there is not much point in building what must be a cheap and lack lustre 2014 model? Just asking for a decent GT to continue on till D Day ...... no one is asking them to reinvent the wheel? Build an XR8 is a risk. The GT would not be in comparison.

They could build a new front for the Black edition .... 1 off for the motor show ..... ????????

[Polyal]

Exactly! And damn them for not utiliing those bumper intakes/ front bar....the excuse for not having cash for a body kit is sickening.

[ROD576]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

What was the price on the XR50t sedans? 47k?
Piano black dash, colour dual zone, premo sound, full leather, etc.
Stuff that GT never got.
335 in that with brakes and wam bam alakazam, we have the new GT!

I wish that option existed 3 years ago when I was upgrading my BF XR8. Back then I wanted to stay in a Ford V8 and my only option was the FPV GS as I couldn't afford 70k for a GT.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Dont have the cash? Now now, lets not pretend they are lining up at Centrelink. They have the means, whether they profit or lose from here on in with the Falcon is a mute point really.

They can keep it simple, concentrate on areas that make a difference. If anyone thinks just an engine sells a car then they are crazy, miami wipes the floor with HSV other than this GTS unicorn, but its the package, and more importantly the styling that sells a car.

But by all means, badge up a XR8, we know it would be a good deal, inexpensive muscle...but most wont care and you will really tick off the current GT owners.

Hmmm... You have to make money to pay your debts, otherwise you become insolvent. Ford is like no other business, its Australian operation still needs to minimise its loses, not blow them out.

I can only imagine the uproar a GT based on the XR6 would cause, especially on this forum, there would be so many people complaining. Not only that they would also devalue the brand for current GT owners.... a $49,990 GT is pretty woeful when you paid $70,000 18 months prior.

The XR8 is a win for everyone, why you say?

1) the real enthusiasts that want the last aussie built Ford V8 get a go... Ford could easily just wipe the V8 program and stick to I4T & I6/I6T.
2) Resale values of "Real" GT's are protected.
3) Ford has been able to invest most of its $$$ into new technology (especially across its core brand XR6 / G6E). Things like blind spot monitoring etc which will bring the last Falcon up to world spec.
4) XR8's heritage sticks with Falcon... When someone says I own a GT... I say what sort... A Falcon, a Mitsubishi 380, a Cortina?
5) Graziano will be able to sleep at night after holding us all in suspense for 4 years RE: XR8....
6) Your price pointed closer to SS... Whats Holden sell more of? SS or Clubsport?

[Polyal]

Dash like I said, you dont go spending cash willy nilly, but if they cant flip the bill for a kit then pull the plug now because your not going to be marketing the car too much...oh hang on....

I dont completely disagree with your points, but the cost of a kit considering everything thts going to happen is nothing...

I think perhaps something that gets lost at the moment is that this update, all along, was about aesthetics...the drivetrain is carry over so I dont accept any talk of not having the cash.

Certainly not concerned with Bob the Destroyers sleeping patterns either.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

Well OK then ..... if they do not have the pennies & in the scheme of things, I DO mean pennies, then do what Pottery has said in the deleted thread above ..... but in a more mild way, why bother with another model? Just bring on the imports, the Mustang, the EcoSport, Mondeo etc. If they cannot have enough spare change in the budget to build a slightly different body kit ..... and I mean slightly ...... then there is not much point in building what must be a cheap and lack lustre 2014 model? Just asking for a decent GT to continue on till D Day ...... no one is asking them to reinvent the wheel? Build an XR8 is a risk. The GT would not be in comparison.

They could build a new front for the Black edition .... 1 off for the motor show ..... ????????

Pennies?? Do you know how much it costs to tool a plastic bar? Then you have to find someone who's willing to supply you 300 a year at a reasonable cost, the less you commit to the higher the cost goes up.

Back when FG was born 8 FPV variants utilised the same front bar, back then they were selling up to 2000 units a year. If front bars were so cheap why did they keep the same front bar for FG2 FPV but not poverty pack XR6's? Probably because they still sell 8000 XR6's a year, apposed to 500 FPV's!

If you ask me they would have been better off running with FG3, that is a car with updated features but the same looks, because quite simply they cannot please anyone at the moment. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[GT-GTF]

Can you still walk into a Ford/FPV dealer at the moment and order a new FPV GT?

[Smoke Pursuit]

Yes up until sometime mid 2014 me thinks.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by GT-GTS

Can you still walk into a Ford/FPV dealer at the moment and order a new FPV GT?

Yes you can ....

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by DASH GT

Pennies?? Do you know how much it costs to tool a plastic bar? Then you have to find someone who's willing to supply you 300 a year at a reasonable cost, the less you commit to the higher the cost goes up.

Back when FG was born 8 FPV variants utilised the same front bar, back then they were selling up to 2000 units a year. If front bars were so cheap why did they keep the same front bar for FG2 FPV but not poverty pack XR6's? Probably because they still sell 8000 XR6's a year, apposed to 500 FPV's!

If you ask me they would have been better off running with FG3, that is a car with updated features but the same looks, because quite simply they cannot please anyone at the moment. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

In the scheme of things ..... yes it is pennies. Yes I do have an idea how much it is to tool these things up. There is a new model apparently coming out in 2014 and a GT should be a part of it. To tool up a slightly different bar is not a deal breaker ...... it is an excuse. To bring in an XR8 after all this time is a risk. It would be way more beneficial to have a GT to the end ..... that is my view and can appreciate yours. But please don't make excuses for Ford as thats all it is. A different front and rear diffuser is not a deal breaker. Everything else is done ..... the expensive bits from interior to drive train including seats (current GT or GT-P seats)

[Guzz226]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

What was the price on the XR50t sedans? 47k?
Piano black dash, colour dual zone, premo sound, full leather, etc.
Stuff that GT never got.
335 in that with brakes and wam bam alakazam, we have the new GT!

who do I make the cheque out to?

[Pepscobra]

All this thread is proving to me is that common sense is not so common at Ford.

Sure, bring back the XR8 and make it a slashed price track weapon. To me, a sale with a lesser amount of profit is still better than no sale with a bigger margin. More sales equals more return on their investment. But keep the GT for cripes sake and make it the best goddam grand tourer ever made.

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

In the scheme of things ..... yes it is pennies. Yes I do have an idea how much it is to tool these things up. There is a new model apparently coming out in 2014 and a GT should be a part of it. To tool up a slightly different bar is not a deal breaker ...... it is an excuse. To bring in an XR8 after all this time is a risk. It would be way more beneficial to have a GT to the end ..... that is my view and can appreciate yours. But please don't make excuses for Ford as thats all it is. A different front and rear diffuser is not a deal breaker. Everything else is done ..... the expensive bits from interior to drive train including seats (current GT or GT-P seats)

Spot on.

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[jpd80]

Current production and sales of Ford V8 cars is pretty ordinary and tipped to go lower by the end of the year,
we could be looking at around 100/month max and whether Ford goes for an XR8 or a GT really is their business.

Quite frankly, the sales are just not there at the moment and unless Ford gets the finger out and understands why
people want one vehicle over another, the whole bloody point of building V8 cars will become a wasted effort..

[nstg8a]

After all the arguing backwards and forwards, has FORD themselves actually said anything about no gt?

Didn't think so... Be funny if come 2014 all the angst is for nought.