Whats stopping people from buying the Falcon? - Page 15

Bossxr8 · 04-02-2012, 11:31 PM

The 3 MPS also torque steers like a pig, which would put plenty of buyers off.
Time to step up to a front end like the revoknuckle on the Focus RS and the similar system on the Renaultsport Meganes me thinks.

csv8 · 05-02-2012, 01:23 PM

Whats stopping people from buying a Falcon ? the trade in I was offered on my BF MK 2 GHIA, I rolled out the door laughing!!! same with other dealers. Thats why I haven't upgraded....

SS_01 · 05-02-2012, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

Whats stopping people from buying a Falcon ? the trade in I was offered on my BF MK 2 GHIA, I rolled out the door laughing!!! same with other dealers. Thats why I haven't upgraded....

Let me guess around 15k????

P6LTD351 · 05-02-2012, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by VW_060606

Let me guess around 15k????

No way would you even get 15k for it as a trade. I've seen them selling at dealers for 16k. I think you'd be lucky to get 10k as a trade. Sad, but true.

MelsGolf · 05-02-2012, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

Whats stopping people from buying a Falcon ? the trade in I was offered on my BF MK 2 GHIA, I rolled out the door laughing!!! same with other dealers. Thats why I haven't upgraded....

Easily fixed, sell it privately, now that that problems solved let us know when you've ordered your new Falcon!

Smoke Pursuit · 06-02-2012, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by csv8

Whats stopping people from buying a Falcon ? the trade in I was offered on my BF MK 2 GHIA, I rolled out the door laughing!!! same with other dealers. Thats why I haven't upgraded....

Thats what happens when you buy an old model car new.... how many kms has it done?

csv8 · 05-02-2012, 02:50 PM

VW 060606..no $12k..thats a 75% loss in 4 years. On a Focus Titanium...
MelsGolf..too many hassles selling privately...cann'ted be bothered with tyre kickers and strangers casing my place...

jpd80 · 05-02-2012, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

VW 060606..no $12k..thats a 75% loss in 4 years. On a Focus Titanium...
MelsGolf..too many hassles selling privately...cann'ted be bothered with tyre kickers and strangers casing my place...

They're still fetching around $17K to $20K in the market so sell it for what you believe it's worth.

It's real hard dealing with the great unwashed, totally oblivious as to your anger towards them when
they offer you dirt or worse wasting your time, hang in there mate, you'll get your money..

SS_01 · 05-02-2012, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

VW 060606..no $12k..thats a 75% loss in 4 years. On a Focus Titanium...
MelsGolf..too many hassles selling privately...cann'ted be bothered with tyre kickers and strangers casing my place...

Yeah doesnt surprise me, 13-15k depending on condition and kms is about the right money for trade. I know what you mean though, its a fair kick in the guts.

P6LTD351 · 05-02-2012, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by VW_060606

Yeah doesnt surprise me, 13-15k depending on condition and kms is about the right money for trade. I know what you mean though, its a fair kick in the guts.

It sure is a kick in the guts. No different than me buying an LCD TV 3 years ago for $5000. Now I can get a better one with 3D for $1500. How much will I get for mine? Nothing.

Buying new cars is ok if they are used. What I mean by that is keeping it for 10 years at least. I don't get how people think it's normal to upgrade every 3 years or so? Maybe if you are leasing, and hence never actually OWNING the vehicle, but other than that, I don't know how people can do it. Unless they are in the business of burning their money.

SS_01 · 05-02-2012, 08:58 PM

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It sure is a kick in the guts. No different than me buying an LCD TV 3 years ago for $5000. Now I can get a better one with 3D for $1500. How much will I get for mine? Nothing.

Buying new cars is ok if they are used. What I mean by that is keeping it for 10 years at least. I don't get how people think it's normal to upgrade every 3 years or so? Maybe if you are leasing, and hence never actually OWNING the vehicle, but other than that, I don't know how people can do it. Unless they are in the business of burning their money.

Im the opposite, I hate buying used cars, I like to buy new, Case in point, my current XR6 is a bucket and i bought it used in november last year.

You dont always lose money, I Bought my Polo GTI brand new in Nov 2006 for $26,000 and traded it with 95,000kms on the clock for $14,500 in June 2010. Now I still lost money, almost half, but it hadnt really cost me much to maintain over the years i had it, so i think over almost a 4 year period it hasnt lost too much. It was traded in on a new Fiesta Zetec which I Paid $19,500 for but i ended up selling that after 4 months with 4,000kms on it, for $19,500, getting my money back. I wish i had kept the GTI now though...

turbodewd · 06-02-2012, 12:14 AM

Can someone close this thread, its genuinely stupid. People ARE buying Falcons, the Falcon is usually a top 10 seller each month FFS! Thats pretty darn good if u ask me.

Auslandau · 06-02-2012, 12:45 AM

If you cannot afford the depreciation ..... you cannot afford the car. Its a fact of life when buying new and should be taken into consideration when buying new. If after 2-5 years you get a shock with the devaluation .... why the hell did was it bought in the first place without doing the homework first! Looking at some second hand euro cars at the moment and the prices for 5 year old cars and the depreciation is massive .............. it isn't a FORD thing and should not be the reason they are buying something else.

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Originally Posted by turbodewd

Can someone close this thread, its genuinely stupid.

No ...... don't read it if you are not interested in it.

Spammy · 06-02-2012, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by turbodewd

Can someone close this thread, its genuinely stupid. People ARE buying Falcons, the Falcon is usually a top 10 seller each month FFS! Thats pretty darn good if u ask me.

Really ? 7 out of every 10 Falcons are fleet sales and Falcon sales are slipping very month.

onfire · 06-02-2012, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by turbodewd

Can someone close this thread, its genuinely stupid. People ARE buying Falcons, the Falcon is usually a top 10 seller each month FFS! Thats pretty darn good if u ask me.

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Originally Posted by Spammy

Really ? 7 out of every 10 Falcons are fleet sales and Falcon sales are slipping very month.

Not only that, as pointed out in the original post, the Ford Falcon overall dropped to 9th place in 2011. With it's key competitor the Holden Commodore remaining in second place for 2011.

It's an extremely relevant topic, and should be openly discussed.

bad moon rising · 06-02-2012, 01:48 PM

i just hope someone sends a link for this thread to ford, hopefully they can read it and try to improve things to try and please there customers a bit more

mik · 06-02-2012, 09:59 PM

minor flaws (aside like any other) the falcon is a good car, you can`t compare a crappy commuter wheel barrow or a dedicated sports car to an all purpose family sedan that can do a bit of everything and do it well.

weairy · 06-02-2012, 11:43 PM

I only just bought my XR6 in December. Probably the wrong time, with the FGII imminent (hell, I could buy a 2010 model with 20k on the clock for the same money now). But at the time I paid $25k for a August 09 model with 35,000km on it, with tech pack, new boots, new screen and fresh tint, from a dealer. With the $38k price tag on a new XR6, it was the viable option (I'm a P Plater and only earning my $600ish a week).

My old man was looking at a G6ET recently, but went for a 200 Series Landcruiser instead. Practibility > Comfort with 4 kids and an assortment of trailers, boats and race cars.

As for the downsizing argument, I can see why some people are moving towards more compact 4s. Cheaper to run than an XR6 (hell, the V8 twin turbo diesel Landcruiser is almost more efficient) and almost as practical; although my god you can't beat the FG bootspace. I keep my swag and a camp chair in the boot permanently because the damn thing is gigantic. And I'd love to see you tow a 20ft fishing boat behind a Mazda 3

jpd80 · 07-02-2012, 12:02 AM

I wonder, Falcon XR6 gives 9.9 l/100 km while I-6 RWD Territory gets 10.6 l/100 km....that's pretty close...

Hmmm, I recon XT Ecoboost 8" screen out there at $34,990.... really put it to Holden International..

weairy · 06-02-2012, 11:50 PM

For interests sake; I'm getting 10.3lt/100km from my XR6 and do approx. 500km a week. Equates to about $85 a week in fuel (BP 98)

Mum has a 2007 model Corolla which runs about 400km a week, and she fills it up about once a fortnight tops, for next to nothing (the thing will go to Melbourne and back on a thimble).

The 200 Series is rolling at about 9.8lt/100km. It's a 2700kg truck with better efficiency.

**DJM83** · 07-02-2012, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by weairy

For interests sake; I'm getting 10.3lt/100km from my XR6 and do approx. 500km a week. Equates to about $85 a week in fuel (BP 98)

Mum has a 2007 model Corolla which runs about 400km a week, and she fills it up about once a fortnight tops, for next to nothing (the thing will go to Melbourne and back on a thimble).

The 200 Series is rolling at about 9.8lt/100km. It's a 2700kg truck with better efficiency.

I'm getting 10.5 in my XR5T

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mik · 07-02-2012, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by weairy

For interests sake; I'm getting 10.3lt/100km from my XR6 and do approx. 500km a week. Equates to about $85 a week in fuel (BP 98)

Mum has a 2007 model Corolla which runs about 400km a week, and she fills it up about once a fortnight tops, for next to nothing (the thing will go to Melbourne and back on a thimble).

The 200 Series is rolling at about 9.8lt/100km. It's a 2700kg truck with better efficiency.

how does the economy go in the city with the cruiser?

XWGT · 07-02-2012, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by weairy

The 200 Series is rolling at about 9.8lt/100km. It's a 2700kg truck with better efficiency.

Umm the $120,000 price tag means it should have some decent engine tech!

weairy · 07-02-2012, 01:34 PM

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Umm the $120,000 price tag means it should have some decent engine tech!

It's a second hander; still $65k admittedly, but still. Surprising that it's more efficient than my XR6.

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how does the economy go in the city with the cruiser?

the economy is pretty stable, whether in the city or on the highway. Admittedly, the only time we've really had it in the city was crossing Sydney about a month ago.

onfire · 07-02-2012, 02:00 PM

My personal opinion in regards to the FG. Yes, it's a great car. I've driven a XR6 and thought it was great.

However, my biggest gripe when the FG came out was the fact, the XR6 looked nothing like what a XR6 should. It had become simply a flashier G6 model. If anything the base model.

Now, sure the BA/BF XR6 was basically the same, and had zero power improvement on the XT, but it looked like a sports model and it gave off that feeling you were driving a sports orientated car despite the fact you were playing with 182kw in the BA. It felt different to the XT -- which is why in the long term people bought the BA & BF XR6 vehicles.

Fast forward to the FG, and you've got a nicer looking G6 with a XR6 badge on the rear. If I was giving into the Mrs and had to purchase a larger car to accommodate a growing family and still wanted a modern & sporty look ride.. I'd be looking much more closely at the VE SV6 right now.

superfly · 07-02-2012, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by onfire

Fast forward to the FG, and you've got a nicer looking G6 with a XR6 badge on the rear. If I was giving into the Mrs and had to purchase a larger car to accommodate a growing family and still wanted a modern & sporty look ride.. I'd be looking much more closely at the VE SV6 right now.

What does the SV6 have over the XR6?

The XR6 is a lot different to the XT but like Holden, most private buyers are getting the XR6 or SV6 rather than the base model.

brett7777 · 07-02-2012, 08:26 AM

I reckon it's mainly because of the body shape.
It looks a lot more like a Japanese or Euro car now. That will be quite attractive to some people, but not everyone.

mik · 07-02-2012, 01:46 PM

ahhh the cruiser is a diesel.......the penny drops, i thought there was something fishy, petrol 4wd v8 behemoths just don`t get better fuel economy than cars, not really apples for apples is it being diesel vs petrol.

XWGT · 07-02-2012, 04:26 PM

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ahhh the cruiser is a diesel.......the penny drops, i thought there was something fishy, petrol 4wd v8 behemoths just don`t get better fuel economy than cars, not really apples for apples is it being diesel vs petrol.

And if its a diesel 200 series add another $20,000 to the retail price........

Spammy · 07-02-2012, 04:50 PM

Do others think the taxi stigma impacts on Falcon sales. In the back of my mind I associate being in a falcon with wierd smells, diff whine and loud talk back radio.

Not the sole reason for me not buying a new Falcon but does weigh on my thnking.