US Elections - Boring or Important to Aust?

[MITCHAY]

All I know is that KBR took over the company I worked for and all of a sudden I was surplus to their needs. Just as well I got a good package and never looked back.

It wasn't until after I left I understood what **** they are into.

[tranquilized]

After an initial period of shock I'm feeling surprisingly calm and positive about a Trump presidency.

I find it ironic that some of his policy positions actually align with the left. For example it looks like the TPP won't get off the ground. So many people have rightly been protesting this nasty piece of work, who would have thought Trump would be the one to actually kill it off. As far as I'm concerned that would be a major positive from all this. Will his trade attack on China force them to slow down, adopt a more sustainable growth trajectory? Force Australia further away from our reliance on mining materials for China?

Climate change on the other hand, we might as well burn with reckless abandon. Looks like nothing will ever be done about this issue now so we better all hope it is actually a hoax.

But then, how able will he be in passing his policies, many of which are directly at odds with his own parties position.

Lots to think about!

[superyob]

Originally Posted by tranquilized

After an initial period of shock I'm feeling surprisingly calm and positive about a Trump presidency.

I find it ironic that some of his policy positions actually align with the left. For example it looks like the TPP won't get off the ground.


Lots to think about!

What is the TPP tranquilised???

[cheap]

The loonies are now protesting against democracy, luckily I found something for them...

[M&Ms]

Originally Posted by tranquilized

Climate change on the other hand, we might as well burn with reckless abandon. Looks like nothing will ever be done about this issue now so we better all hope it is actually a hoax.

'Global Warming' (a term which was dropped in favour of 'Climate Change' after evidence that the world is actually cooling) is the biggest crock of sh!**$t known to mankind.

I pity all the gullible people who believe all those paid 'scientists' on the matter. It's a fact we're due another ice age. The world naturally goes through cycles over centuries, so if we have 4 years where the annual average temperature increased year on year, it's all part of the cycle, nothing abnormal (never mind our media telling us we just had the hottest 6 days since 1965 and its due to global warming...)

Anyone here wonder why that lump of ice up North is called 'Greenland?' Well, centuries ago the Vikings would inhabit it, grow their crops there, and live in this lush green-land. Over decades it froze over. Now, as the ice is starting to melt and Greenland returns to it's greeny pastures, all the hippies use it as an example of Global Warming, melting ice caps, penguins and polar bears suffering, etc, etc.

I really hope Trump pulls through and shows us we don't have to accept the status quo, and in actual fact, we should be questioning a lot more, keep these pr!cks in the media honest.

[mcflux]

Originally Posted by M&Ms

'Global Warming' (a term which was dropped in favour of 'Climate Change' after evidence that the world is actually cooling) is the biggest crock of sh!**$t known to mankind.

I pity all the gullible people who believe all those paid 'scientists' on the matter. It's a fact we're due another ice age. The world naturally goes through cycles over centuries, so if we have 4 years where the annual average temperature increased year on year, it's all part of the cycle, nothing abnormal (never mind our media telling us we just had the hottest 6 days since 1965 and its due to global warming...)

Anyone here wonder why that lump of ice up North is called 'Greenland?' Well, centuries ago the Vikings would inhabit it, grow their crops there, and live in this lush green-land. Over decades it froze over. Now, as the ice is starting to melt and Greenland returns to it's greeny pastures, all the hippies use it as an example of Global Warming, melting ice caps, penguins and polar bears suffering, etc, etc.

I really hope Trump pulls through and shows us we don't have to accept the status quo, and in actual fact, we should be questioning a lot more, keep these pr!cks in the media honest.

If you have the time, you should watch this documentary: https://chasingice.com/

A photographer sets up time-lapse photography posts at prominent glaciers in Alaska, Canada, Rockies, Greenland, Iceland, Alps, & the Andes, & displays the results.

Here's a (poorly edited) 9 minute cut from the documentary looking at a few of the glaciers in retreat. You say that Greenland is becoming Green again. It's not; it's bleeding out.



Here's some stuff from NASA, you know, the guys who faked the moon landing:

http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/carbon-dioxide/

Originally Posted by smoo

Liberals thinking they have the moral high ground by making threats of moving to other safe and secure White majority countries is racist in itself is it not...
Clinton wanted to increase Syrian refugee intake to the USA by over 500%, to 65,000. This would take the projected US refugee intake to over 200,000 this year with nearly all of them Muslim.
Anyone who opposed was labelled the usual names by the tolerant left.
If they are hell bent on importing such a foreign incompatible culture, they should be looking to move to the Middle East or Africa. Then they will find out what real racism, homophobia and mysoginy is.
We have our own traitorous socialists such as the Greens doing their best to undermine our culture and destroy our way of life as it is. We don't want or need anymore.
The do gooders need to put their money where their mouth is.

Way to paint all muslims as evil. If you go back several decades we brought in refugees from other countries where we were waging war, and then several decades prior to that we were taking in immigrants from countries that we were also at war with only a few years prior.

Vietnamese. Italians. Germans.

And now when civilians, including professionals, are trying to escape their collapsed countries and/or start a new life, either as refugees or immigrants, it's different?

I'll put my money where my mouth is. I'm heading to the middle east next year for a holiday. Not an explody part, because who in their right mind would head in to a war zone? Oh, that's right, those are the places you try to ESCAPE FROM. Like, I dunno, refugees seeking asylum?

The next time you pass someone on the street who isn't an anglo aussie, why don't you do the aussie thing & say g'day, instead of automatically assuming that they're out to blow you up and bash your wife/sex your daughter, whilst taking your job *and* welfare benefits?

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by Ghia5L

If you have the time, you should watch this documentary: https://chasingice.com/

A photographer sets up time-lapse photography posts at prominent glaciers in Alaska, Canada, Rockies, Greenland, Iceland, Alps, & the Andes, & displays the results.

Here's a (poorly edited) 9 minute cut from the documentary looking at a few of the glaciers in retreat. You say that Greenland is becoming Green again. It's not; it's bleeding out.



Here's some stuff from NASA, you know, the guys who faked the moon landing:

http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/carbon-dioxide/



Way to paint all muslims as evil. If you go back several decades we brought in refugees from other countries where we were waging war, and then several decades prior to that we were taking in immigrants from countries that we were also at war with only a few years prior.

Vietnamese. Italians. Germans.

And now when civilians, including professionals, are trying to escape their collapsed countries and/or start a new life, either as refugees or immigrants, it's different?

I'll put my money where my mouth is. I'm heading to the middle east next year for a holiday. Not an explody part, because who in their right mind would head in to a war zone? Oh, that's right, those are the places you try to ESCAPE FROM. Like, I dunno, refugees seeking asylum?

The next time you pass someone on the street who isn't an anglo aussie, why don't you do the aussie thing & say g'day, instead of automatically assuming that they're out to blow you up and bash your wife/sex your daughter, whilst taking your job *and* welfare benefits?

Ahrr get out here with all your facts and book learnin!

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Ghia5L

The next time you pass someone on the street who isn't an anglo aussie, why don't you do the aussie thing & say g'day, instead of automatically assuming that they're out to blow you up and bash your wife/sex your daughter, whilst taking your job *and* welfare benefits?

Don't say gday to me, I'll bash your wife, sex your daughter, take your job and collect welfare benefits

Jk

[castellan]

How could a people vote for a man they don't know who he truly is, Trump and Hillary have there whole lives documented from child hood so we know who they are and where they come from.

But with Obama you can't do that, I have never found much to go on worth bugger all, but only for some years before he became President is all I can find.
Does anyone know who his school class mates were and what they have to say about him, maybe they have been all shot ? who the hell would know, I find it amazing that people don't care at all who they are truly voting for.

I found Hillary Clinton came across as just a total creep show only full of total cunning evil.

[ford man xf]

Originally Posted by Ghia5L

Way to paint all muslims as evil. If you go back several decades we brought in refugees from other countries where we were waging war, and then several decades prior to that we were taking in immigrants from countries that we were also at war with only a few years prior.

Vietnamese. Italians. Germans.

I don't believe he wrote anything about muslims being evil? What he did say was "that they are hell bent on importing such a foreign incompatible culture" and I would totally agree with him on this, we share absolutely nothing in common with Islam, in this country it "works" only because we are the tolerant ones. The previous people that we have taken in after WW2 were the people from Europe, who all share very similar cultures, of course that was always going to work. But that's all I'm going to say on that issue as this threads about the US Election.

[cheap]

This is another real life story from cheap.

I've started work on a new gig, salvaging a project out of the disaster that it has become. The project team has a communications expert, she is mid-late 20's, highly educated and absolutely stunning. Big Clinton fan and by Thursday morning she was despondent. How could Trump win? It will be a disaster!

Now remember, she is a communications specialist.

So I asked her what was Trump's narrative? I'll paraphrase a little "America is broken, health care is broken, your jobs have gone overseas, your kids don't have a bright future, our borders are not secure, terrorists are in the America. I know you're hurting. But, I'm here to help, I'm here to fix these problems."

I then asked her what was Clinton's narrative? <insert the sound of chirping crickets>

I'm not a psychologist, but I think congnitive dissonance seems to be prevalent amongst many people.

[mcflux]

Originally Posted by ford man xf

I don't believe he wrote anything about muslims being evil? What he did say was "that they are hell bent on importing such a foreign incompatible culture" and I would totally agree with him on this, we share absolutely nothing in common with Islam, in this country it "works" only because we are the tolerant ones. The previous people that we have taken in after WW2 were the people from Europe, who all share very similar cultures, of course that was always going to work. But that's all I'm going to say on that issue as this threads about the US Election.

I condensed 'racism, mysoginy & homophobia' into 'evil', as these in my opionion are traits which are either from fear, ignorance/lack of education, or from simply being evil.

Say g'day, except not to Big D.

The Vietnamese refugees A) weren't from Europe & B) didn't share a similar culture...

[Mercury Bullet]

Originally Posted by ford man xf

The previous people that we have taken in after WW2 were the people from Europe, who all share very similar cultures, of course that was always going to work. But that's all I'm going to say on that issue as this threads about the US Election.

Um we did fight a war in Africa. Libya, Egypt, Palestine, Algeria. All over the South Mediterranean Sea.

Afghans have been settling here for ~200 years, where do you think all the camels came from?

People from the middle east have been here nearly as long as white anglo-saxon settlement.

[smoo]

Originally Posted by Ghia5L

If you have the time, you should watch this documentary: https://chasingice.com/

A photographer sets up time-lapse photography posts at prominent glaciers in Alaska, Canada, Rockies, Greenland, Iceland, Alps, & the Andes, & displays the results.

Here's a (poorly edited) 9 minute cut from the documentary looking at a few of the glaciers in retreat. You say that Greenland is becoming Green again. It's not; it's bleeding out.



Here's some stuff from NASA, you know, the guys who faked the moon landing:

http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/carbon-dioxide/



Way to paint all muslims as evil. If you go back several decades we brought in refugees from other countries where we were waging war, and then several decades prior to that we were taking in immigrants from countries that we were also at war with only a few years prior.

Vietnamese. Italians. Germans.

And now when civilians, including professionals, are trying to escape their collapsed countries and/or start a new life, either as refugees or immigrants, it's different?

I'll put my money where my mouth is. I'm heading to the middle east next year for a holiday. Not an explody part, because who in their right mind would head in to a war zone? Oh, that's right, those are the places you try to ESCAPE FROM. Like, I dunno, refugees seeking asylum?

The next time you pass someone on the street who isn't an anglo aussie, why don't you do the aussie thing & say g'day, instead of automatically assuming that they're out to blow you up and bash your wife/sex your daughter, whilst taking your job *and* welfare benefits?

You're putting words in my mouth.
Not all of the Middle East is in conflict. But all of it is more more mysoginist, racist and sexist than Trump will ever be (these childish and selfish liberals threatening to leave the states could move there instead).
Put your money where your mouth is eh... Perhaps take a trip to Europe and walk thru a Muslim no go zone. One where the fire service, police force and ambo crews steer clear of. But be sure to tell your missus and daughter to wear some revealing clothing to experience the cultural enrichment that you seem to be championing for.

[mcflux]

Originally Posted by smoo

You're putting words in my mouth.
Not all of the Middle East is in conflict. But all of it is more more mysoginist, racist and sexist than Trump will ever be (these childish and selfish liberals threatening to leave the states could move there instead).
Put your money where your mouth is eh... Perhaps take a trip to Europe and walk thru a Muslim no go zone. One where the fire service, police force and ambo crews steer clear of. But be sure to tell your missus and daughter to wear some revealing clothing to experience the cultural enrichment that you seem to be championing for.

What words did I put in your mouth exactly?

Nice generalisation there (see bolded), you clearly know a lot about the middle east.

Why would I want to visit any area that fireys, cops & ambos avoid?

Why would my wife try to invoke conflict through intentional decisions such as wearing revealing clothing in places where such behaviour is frowned upon? How about you walk in to Crown Casino next weekend shirtless & barefoot & see how far you get eh.

I'm very much looking forward to the cultural enrichment I'll be experiencing with their people, food, history, the land... sure beats cultural ignorance.

[danzvtil]

Originally Posted by tranquilized

After an initial period of shock I'm feeling surprisingly calm and positive about a Trump presidency.

I find it ironic that some of his policy positions actually align with the left. For example it looks like the TPP won't get off the ground. So many people have rightly been protesting this nasty piece of work, who would have thought Trump would be the one to actually kill it off. As far as I'm concerned that would be a major positive from all this. Will his trade attack on China force them to slow down, adopt a more sustainable growth trajectory? Force Australia further away from our reliance on mining materials for China?

Climate change on the other hand, we might as well burn with reckless abandon. Looks like nothing will ever be done about this issue now so we better all hope it is actually a hoax.

But then, how able will he be in passing his policies, many of which are directly at odds with his own parties position.

Lots to think about!

That's exactly where I am today too, relatively calm about it. I,like the media was wailing and nashing teeth, but stand back, see if he changes the way the us is run. Lots of celebrities and political opponents with egg on their faces for openly slagging him off, now realising they may have to get on with him for the greater cause of advancing their country.
It also completely busts open the 100% black or white, you said this 20 years ago, so you can NEVER be fit for office.People say stuff, sometimes it's stupid, but opinions can change.

[Pepscobra]

Why are people so worried about Trump?
Remember, this is a country that had George W Bush for 8 years... why be picky now?

[tranquilized]

Originally Posted by Pepscobra

Why are people so worried about Trump?
Remember, this is a country that had George W Bush for 8 years... why be picky now?

This is a good point, and begs the question - how much importance does the president actually have? Not much beyond the symbolic you could argue.

What worries me though are the potential consequences of having such an inept president. It basically opens the possibility for all kinds of dark forces, faceless men, within the administration to run amok. Some nasty business went down on George W's watch while he was out hunting and playing golf...

[tranquilized]

Originally Posted by superyob

What is the TPP tranquilised???

Trans Pacific Partnership. Basically the mother of all free trade agreements which included generous isds (Investor-State dispute settlement) provisions which allow corporations to sue governments for passing legislation that affects their profits. I believe Australia is spending huge sums fighting the tobacco companies right now for introducing plain packaging. I think some latin american countries are fighting mining companies in court for not granting them mining licenses. It's just crazy stuff. Trump's position is one of protectionism - the opposite to free trade. The TPP has already been signed but is awaiting ratification so I can't wait to see what happens with it.

[Pis-ton broke]

i think some people are being a bit alarmist, but some of the media are still spewing out negative bs. i did read some where that some media could be considered to be inciting trouble, ie riots. i think the media and others have egg all over there faces, and some can,t eat humble pie and there still carrying on like spoil sports, wont a joke. it is wan,t it is, so lets get on with life.

[LG17]

It will be very interesting to see if he carries out his Presidency in the same brash manner that he seems to carry out his businesses. He's had plenty of failures and bankruptcies, but all done within the law regardless of the moral and ethical issues with them, or whether he tones his methods down. It will also be interesting to find out just how much of the rhetoric he used during the campaign actually comes to fruition, eg, appointing a special prosecutor to go after Hilary Clinton.

[blueoval]

I have noticed that since the official announcement, that Trump's demeanor towards the reality that he IS going to be the next president has been quite 'presidential'. I know it's early days, but he is showing a level of professionalism towards Obama and the transition that will come thru eventually. Another thing I have noticed in his speech after the meeting with Obama is he openness toward gaining advice from other people including Obama himself. I do not think he will act like the spoilt brat every hater thinks he will be. He is a business man and will use his experience of that towards delegating tasks including asking for advice by fellow colleagues.

Whether you love him or hate him, this has opened my eyes to what I think could be a positive outcome assuming he continues this demeanor and objectively recalculates his policies in a way that will be positive move towards what is best for the country.

[2011G6E]

[Polyal]

He did what he had to do to get in, he will fold into the system because it will spit him out if he doesnt.

Its a fascinating test of their/our political process.

[TheSneakiness]

I'm looking at this with open eyes, we know he has been successful in his career, he has also had his failures in his career. Much like every user on this forum.

I'm just hoping what he does there that could go wrong doesn't directly translate into my company here as it is US owned.

[Trump]

One thing that people need to be mindful of is that a fair portion of time, bankruptcies are not the result of failure, but a desired outcome for the bankrupted.

[superyob]

Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

One thing that people need to be mindful of is that a fair portion of time, bankruptcies are not the result of failure, but a desired outcome for the bankrupted.

For what purpose LN?

[Trump]

Originally Posted by superyob

For what purpose LN?

A lot of lawyers (more accurately barristers and solicitors) declare bankruptcy on a regular basis. They do so to minimise the tax hit, both at a personal and corporate level. They also do it to wash their hands of any debts they've accrued and can't be bothered servicing. They move their assets and throw their hands in the air and say "I'm bankrupt". They'll have the primary house in their name and that's it. They'll still practice law, but for the duration of the bankruptcy (which can be as short as three years), they "earn" as little as possible. Their real earnings will go to a numbered account and when the bankruptcy period is up, they somehow manage to have a brand spanker S-class Merc sitting in their driveway.

Ask me how I know

[asagaai]

Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

A lot of lawyers (more accurately barristers and solicitors) declare bankruptcy on a regular basis. They do so to minimise the tax hit, both at a personal and corporate level. They also do it to wash their hands of any debts they've accrued and can't be bothered servicing. They move their assets and throw their hands in the air and say "I'm bankrupt". They'll have the primary house in their name and that's it. They'll still practice law, but for the duration of the bankruptcy (which can be as short as three years), they "earn" as little as possible. Their real earnings will go to a numbered account and when the bankruptcy period is up, they somehow manage to have a brand spanker S-class Merc sitting in their driveway.

Ask me how I know

I had dinner with a very very monied lady, who spoke glowingly about a friend who was a nice guy who made lots of money and was sooo successful.

It was that cretin barrister in NSW who went bankrupt on numerous occasions to avoid paying tax by wiping out tax liabilities, and the legislation was altered in NSW so that such a barrister is considered unfit to practice law and is unable to get a practising certificate now.

As she was saying this I was dry retching because he is the sort of person in law I despise. Funny how the very wealthy seem to turn a blind eye to greed in a friend, and some very wealthy place no value in the social equity and justice.

And he is not soo successful dear- he is an abject failure of a human being who did not contribute to society. I did not say this- still stewing, to keep the peace.

[Trump]

Originally Posted by asagaai

I had dinner with a very very monied lady, who spoke glowingly about a friend who was a nice guy who made lots of money and was sooo successful.

It was that cretin barrister in NSW who went bankrupt on numerous occasions to avoid paying tax by wiping out tax liabilities, and the legislation was altered in NSW so that such a barrister is considered unfit to practice law and is unable to get a practising certificate now.

As she was saying this I was dry retching because he is the sort of person in law I despise. Funny how the very wealthy seem to turn a blind eye to greed in a friend, and some very wealthy place no value in the social equity and justice.

And he is not soo successful dear- he is an abject failure of a human being who did not contribute to society. I did not say this- still stewing, to keep the peace.

It's funny how some people equate overall success solely with financial success.

And here's an article mentioning what asagaai discussed:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...d2c-1478856503

it might be behind a paywall though.