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Cheap, we don't disagree as much as you think, which is a statement which in its existence is proof we disagree a lot! see what i did there. Justin |
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Another thing that could be done to "save" money is introduce the HECS-HELP scheme for athletes undertaking a program with the AIS.
But with sport being the sacred Australian cow, that won't happen.
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Wirlankarra yanama
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(I don't have an emoticon for I agree with you and am making another joke in support) JP |
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Wirlankarra yanama
Join Date: May 2006
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Some idea of why the welfare bill has reached the point it has, and why so many contribute so little, the list may be a little out of date but some of you will get the idea:
Unemployment benefits Family Tax Benefit Part A Family Tax Benefit Part B Paid Parental Leave Baby Bonus Maternity Immunisation Allowance Health Care Card (Family Tax Benefit) Child Care Benefit (CCB) Child Care Rebate (CCR) Jobs Education and Training Child Care fee assistance (JETCCFA) Parenting Payment Double Orphan Pension (DOP) Age Pension (AP) Pension bonus scheme Pension Bonus Bereavement Payment Wife Pension Widow B Pension Bereavement Allowance Disability Support Pension (DSP) Sickness Allowance (SA) Mobility Allowance (MOB) Carer Payment Carer Allowance (CA) Carer Supplement Austudy ABSTUDY Pensioner Education Supplement (PES) Assistance for Isolated Children (AIC) Scheme Youth Allowance (YA) Youth Disability Supplement Newstart Allowance (NSA) Partner Allowance (PA) Widow Allowance (WA) CDEP Participant Supplement (CPS) and Supplementary Benefits (Add-ons) Special Benefit (SpB) Crisis Payment Concession Cards, Supplements and Allowances Pensioner Concession Card (PCC) Automatic issue Health Care Card (HCC) Claim required Health Care Card (HCC) Commonwealth Seniors Health Card (CSHC) Pension Supplement Seniors Supplement Telephone Allowance (TAL) Utilities Allowance (UA) Pharmaceutical Allowance (PhA) Remote Area Allowance (RAA) Extra Allowable Amount for retirement village and granny flat residents Hardship provisions payment Work Bonus Compensation payment Working Credit Maintenance income Rent Assistance In isolation they look worthwhile, but the cumulative effect is crippling society and eliminating incentive. And don't forget, behind each of these schemes are large fiefdoms of public servants administering and checking aka paper shuffling - it is a self fulfilling prophesy of doom! |
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Now in government the ideological rhetoric is much harder to deliver. I suspect you and your libertarian friends would find it even more difficult to actually deliver that which you keep banging on about. Please provide examples of the countries you would like Australia to follow. Small government like in; Sierra Leone, Somalia, Zimbabwe, Sudan and Democratic Republic of Congo? Lower taxes like in the USA where 42 million have no health insurance and you can be bankrupted when you get ill? Despite you constantly claiming the opposite, Australia is a "Small government low tax" country compared to similar countries. Please provide examples of these small government low tax utopias Australia could follow when the libertarian finally win government. But of course that is the libertarian lament. They strive to give individuals responsibility and those individuals never vote for libertarians!
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I find rent assistance funny as I can't get it because I pay a mortgage, but you can get it to help pay rent, even if there's people sharing the rent payments. I said to my missus we should split up until I get back to work as we'd be better off. She knew I was joking, but there's a few couples doing it.
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too much whinging on here from people who will never be happy |
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Wirlankarra yanama
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[QUOTE=xxx000;5092618]I'm re-answering your repeated claims. I lived in close proximity to those areas and your proposed solution would certainly invite some interesting responses. Are you any good at running (running very very fast)?
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Where to next??
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I went to my old secondary school (Holy Spirit College) open day just this week, Wednesday in fact, and was gobsmacked at the state of the art facilities and programs in place. The place was awesome when I was there back when it was called St John's and what they have turned it into is truly a sight to behold. And guess what. I had a long chat with several of my own teachers who are still there. Please don't knock a suburb due to the rubbish you see on the news. If anyone knew how good these 2 schools are, despite the poor reputation of the suburb they are found in they would be pleasantly surprised. Anyone looking for a first class secondary school in that area, drop in for a tour! Oh, and taxing the rich? All for it if it means that it will allow us to maintain the current way of life this awesome country has given us. We have it really good compared to most other countries and if it means paying a little more GST, or a short term levy to reduce our debt than great. Will it happen??? We shall see. Start by removing all the loopholes that allow wealth and income to be hidden for tax purposes, in any form.
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Where to next??
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Oh man. Please. C'mon! Every job is different. There are bludgers who milk the system and get paid a lot more than they should and there are people who take pride in their work and are not in it for the money, rather the satisfaction of thinking that they are 'making a difference to a young life'... School is no different. I take your comment with great offence and I really feel sorry for you if that's how you think 'we' all are. I don't only 'teach' my children. I give them experiences, foster deeper thought, make them strive to be the best they can be, then push for more. I fill their minds with stories of my travels, my own difficult upbringing. They are not my students, they are my very own children. Oh, my nickname is 'Poppa Smurf' BTW ![]() I take their performance as a reflection of my own performance. Full stop. I know many, many teachers.. trust me. I can say that the sweeping generalisation you have portrayed applies to perhaps 5% of the people I work with. And I can certainly assure you that we are closely scrutinised... poor performers don't last long. Much the same as in any industry.
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335 - STILL THE BOSS ...
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C'mon please .....
Have let the thread run even though political debates aren't accepted because of the arguments that follow and other reasons but really ...... try to debate the topic as subjectively and politely as possible? Some of the statements have been been racist and are getting personal as shown above. I live with a teacher as well and let me tell you, I am as disgusted with the generalisation as is Yellow Festiva and am sure a few others. Just shows the intelligence of some .... as personal as that is, it stands. Just be careful when discussing and keep things nice or threads will go.
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I have worked around Auburn, have a mate from Bankstown and spent some time in the streets of both.
Great diverse places imho with some wonderful people living there. Great trendy Thai restaurant in Bankstown we used to go to, was always packed. |
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Join Date: Feb 2011
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Interesting news items out today (suspiciously timely I think...
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Spend a week with a teacher and see if you can keep up.
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Wirlankarra yanama
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Taxing Peter to pay Paul. One thing is for sure you'll always get Paul's vote.
IMO, that summaries the trajectory this country has been on since 1972. For those of you old enough to remember all the way back to 1972. |
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I have run a successful small business employing staff for the past seventeen years. As such, I know from a business perspective what she is doing is flawed. The sort of capital expenditure our family has invested in my wife should be providing a healthy return, but apart form CPI she is not earning a cent more than she was several years ago. How can I get my wife to get with the program? I had her on a while back as she attempted to leave the house with an inordinate amount of fruit and snacks. Are you going to eat all of that I asked, no she answered. She had worked out that the disruptive kids in her class the ones that were falling asleep or could not concentrate were not bad they were just hungry. Give them something to eat and she had their full attention. "FFS" I said "don't you have mandatory reporting, shouldn't their parents be held responsible?" My wife took me aside and explained that their parents were dead! And in many cases these kids, who are under nine years old had witnessed their family being killed. These kids were living with people who claimed to be their Aunt or Uncle, but in reality were probably just well meaning people from the same neighbourhood and who had several children of their own. I am 186cm and 90kgs but my breath is taken away regularly and I share a tear with my wife as she repeats stories she has heard from "New Australians" under nine, of how their family were killed. Auslandau am I wrong to express my opinion, that when asked 99.9% of teachers think our Zilo is ill-informed?
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I'm old enough and beyond. Please articulate what it is you want without bring so obtuse!
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I just wanna leap home
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And Cheap, some of the 'payments' in your list are made up and don't exist, but your copy and past skills are quite satisfactory ![]() Last edited by Sam Beckett; 10-05-2014 at 04:08 AM. |
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The dedication and amount of hours she and her workmates put into teaching is staggering. I'd estimate 1/3 - 1/2 of each school hols is spent at work or doing work from home. |
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Wirlankarra yanama
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Teacher's in private schools get more $'s, however according to some being associated with the private education system seems to imply you're a free loading tax cheat
As for teachers hours, we're in the same situation, my wife works countless unpaid hours preparing for classes and homework and report cards. Not to mention parent interviews and dealing with habitual feral children. |
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but yes of course there's some individual tax cheats that's a concern especially when they may be very high earners. I had a wealthy neighbour in that boat until recently. All kids through private system then went belly up, now hiding from creditors |
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Wirlankarra yanama
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Every successive government has either ignored, mismanaged or expanded on the "free" madness to the point where we are now, according to news reports 50% effectively don't pay tax and therefore 50% pay a lot of tax. I didn't think people needed to be rocket scientists to work out the trajectory of this unsustainable culture, but what has surprised me is that some people seem to believe the problem doesn't exist at all. Don't people every wonder where their tax dollars actually go? I've formed the opinion that the statistics are correct and there are many "Pauls" amongst us. |
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Wirlankarra yanama
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Duplicate
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Or is your point that we should all be using the prescribed government system? Or are you merging the two? |
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If you need the government to give you more incentive to work harder then you must be pretty weak in the head.
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i feel this thread has died. in summary i see it like this, using cheap's Peter pays Paul;
we have a few Peters who argue they are being ripped off by donating hard earned dollars to a lot of Pauls. these Pauls seem to have the belief that because Peter earns more should therefore share those earnings with them so they can enjoy the same lifestyle they perceive the Peters have. i see a problem with this form of thinking. if the Peters get tired of donating to Pauls because they think "what's the point" and then become more Pauls, the Peters become less and less. who pays for Pauls perceived lifestyle then? |
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