Schumacher critical

[slowsnake]

Maybe people need to mind their own business and let him and his family do the same!
I have a feeling he is either a vegetable or paralysed like Christopher Reeve?
He may not want his fans to see him all screwed up.

Its very obvious his family want to keep it all "in the family"
We don't even know what's wrong with him? What is wrong with him?.all I heard was brain injury, not spinal injury, but you can correct me if I'm wrong!

I reckon everyone should stop speculating, I can't see his family talking the "nitty gritty" of his injury with the press!


Billy.

[b0son]

Or there are simply less intrusive paparazzi there.

[sixman]

Sounds like he has been in a non-communicating, non-mobile, vegetative state since the accident. Also sounds like there will be no recovery.

[slowsnake]

Well I have read every post in this thread and it surprised me that it occurred on New Year 2013!..that's 4 1/2 years!
Geez I didn't realise it was so long ago, so he is either à vegetable ( probably the wrong word ) or he is totally immobile.
We do know he was talking to the paramedics immediately after the crash, but he had a brain bleed, so swelling inside the scull and drilled to relieve pressure in his scull.

I am sure if he could talk he would, his damage is in the brain not the spine it seems,I hope he is in a permanent coma, just sleeping and floating around somewhere nicer than his hospital room!..and of course pain free.

I feel sorry for his family though, but with the amount of fans he has, and its the fans who give him his lifestyle and income, but being such a public figure I don't really comprehend why his wife ( next of kin ) does not allow his medical crew to release more information.

Its not fair on his fans, and I am not one by the way, I liked his skill as a driver, not the person!


Billy.

[prydey]

some news

https://www.news.com.au/sport/motors...1f85557ba07540

[MITCHAY]

So his missus spent a stupid amount of money for a mansion and he is still basically a vegetable.

I feel sorry for the bloke. Alive but not living. Drives a F1 car at 100s of kays for many of years and not a scratch, but hits a rock while skiing even with a helmet and he's ****ed.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

I feel sorry for the bloke. Alive but not living.

that may be in some peoples eyes, but I bet his wife and son (and all family) are happy that he is still alive, and not dead.

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by prydey

that may be in some peoples eyes, but I bet his wife and son (and all family) are happy that he is still alive, and not dead.

I'm sure they are. Like my mum would be also but personally I'd eat a bullet if it were offered to me in that state.

[sixman]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

So his missus spent a stupid amount of money for a mansion and he is still basically a vegetable.

I feel sorry for the bloke. Alive but not living. Drives a F1 car at 100s of kays for many of years and not a scratch, but hits a rock while skiing even with a helmet and he's ****ed.

I dont think money is an issue. Probably a good investment for their needs.

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by sixman

I dont think money is an issue. Probably a good investment for their needs.

Of course not. He is still the same vegetable in Majorca as he is was in Switzerland. **** me dead I wasn't trying to be a heartless bloke but it is reality.

[Express]

The article does mention that the new property his wife has bought is also near a brand new university hospital and private clinic with specialists doctors which could mean a couple of things.

With the money the Schumacher family is worth they can afford to spend in the hope they find someone or some other means to help his recovery or it could just simply mean they still live their lives even though Michael can’t and she has bought a beautiful holiday home which would most likely also be a good investment.

I know of people who have family members who are nothing short of vegetables but that doesn't stop the rest of the family from living on.


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[solarite_guy]

I do not think I have spoken on this thread. I must admit it is distressing to me. I admit I have appreciated the skills of many great engineers and drivers since I was young. Many may not be recognized here, but I am sure many are, such as Bruce Mclaren, Denny Hulme, Greg More, and many others. Too many to name.

I have followed Michael Schumacher (Schuey) since karting days. Taking his style forward even transforming how to win in world sports car, then turning the second tier Benetton team into the world F1 champion then moving the Prancing Horse to the pinnacle it had lost and then regained under Schuey's determination to win and dominate.

I recall he loved his mothers and grandmothers home made spaghetti.

I think Schuey is lost. My best to his wife, family and friends.

[bigwil]

While his still breathing theres still hope

[solarite_guy]

Originally Posted by solarite_guy

Greg More, and many others. Too many to name.

Apologies for misspelling Greg Moore's name. I should know better as I speak with another Greg Moore here. Son of Bud Moore as in Bud Moore Engineering.

[fordomatic]

Personally I think they are selfish, let him go peacefully if he still hasn't improved.

[prydey]

It really is no one else's business as to their decisions surrounding his care and hope for recovery, or even just to keep him alive. No one knows the real story.

Some of us just like to keep track of the little snippets of news, and personally I cling on to those little snippets of hope.

[galaxy xr8]

Originally Posted by prydey

It really is no one else's business as to their decisions surrounding his care and hope for recovery, or even just to keep him alive. No one knows the real story.

Some of us just like to keep track of the little snippets of news, and personally I cling on to those little snippets of hope.

Exactly,
Everyone has their own personal opinion on the matter and what they would prefer if they were in the unfortunate position that this family is in.

The fact is though they aren't, and the Schumacher family are, so in all respect towards them we all should respect their decision on the matter and just hope and pray as the family are doing, and if and when they do decide it's time to say goodbye, well once again we should respect their decision.

But one thing is for sure, we should thank god that we less mortal's are not in their position and having to make the call or deal with this heart ache as I sure as hell would not like to be in their shoes.

[GCRXR6]

Originally Posted by fordomatic

Personally I think they are selfish, let him go peacefully if he still hasn't improved.

What makes you think they are selfish? It maybe Michael's wish to keep going.

[Express]

Originally Posted by GCRXR6

What makes you think they are selfish? It maybe Michael's wish to keep going.

This could be very true.

My wife died recently and we had talked on a few occasions in recent years about being kept alive by a machine or would we rather be allowed to be let go.

She’s became sick early this year and had a few hospital episodes in quick succession and during one she was told by the hospital staff her chances of survival were very small but they could keep her body alive with help from drugs and machines and she told them that’s the last thing she ever wanted.

As it was she pulled through on that occasion and we then went about ensuring our personal affairs were legally in order in case the worst was to happen.

A few months later she was rushed to hospital again and as she deteriorated and became unconscious the family and I were informed there was no way she could survive on her own and would never gain any quality of life and the hospital had on record from an earlier visit her wishes were not to be kept alive with machines.

As I had Enduring Power of Attorney and for those of you that don’t know the difference it’s not the same as Power of Attorney, it allowed me to legally make the decision she wanted and have all medication stopped, the machines turned off and she was given high doses of morphine to help with the pain as she slipped away.

Even though I legally had the power to make this decision I of course consulted with the rest of the family before doing so.

So who knows what Michael Schumacher and his family have decided over the years.

Given that he participated in a very dangerous sport I’m sure these questions would have been discussed at length and maybe the family are following his wishes.

For all you people that don’t have Enduring Power of Attorneys sorted out make sure the next time you do a will you get the solicitors to do it as well.

It means you get what you want done and sometimes that can make the decision your family has to make so much easier to live with.

I know for me that as hard as the decision was, I take comfort in knowing it was the one my wife wanted.



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[zoesgift]

Originally Posted by Express

This could be very true.

My wife died recently and we had talked on a few occasions in recent years about being kept alive by a machine or would we rather be allowed to be let go.

She’s became sick early this year and had a few hospital episodes in quick succession and during one she was told by the hospital staff her chances of survival were very small but they could keep her body alive with help from drugs and machines and she told them that’s the last thing she ever wanted.

As it was she pulled through on that occasion and we then went about ensuring our personal affairs were legally in order in case the worst was to happen.

A few months later she was rushed to hospital again and as she deteriorated and become unconscious the family and I were informed there was no way she could survive on her own and would never gain any quality of life and the hospital had on record from an earlier visit her wishes were not to be kept alive with machines.

As I had Enduring Power of Attorney and for those of you that don’t know the difference it’s not the same as Power of Attorney, it allowed me to legally make the decision she wanted and have all medication stopped, the machines turned off and she was given high doses of morphine to help with the pain as she slipped away.

Even though I legally had the power to make this decision I of course consulted with the rest of the family before doing so.

So who knows what Michael Schumacher and his family have decided over the years.

Given that he participated in a very dangerous sport I’m sure these questions would have been discussed at length and maybe the family are following his wishes.

For all you people that don’t have Enduring Power of Attorneys sorted out make sure the next time you do a will you get the solicitors to do it as well.

It means you get what you want done and sometimes that can make the decision your family has to make so much easier to live with.

I know for me that as hard as the decision was, I take comfort in knowing it was the one my wife wanted.



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probably the most sensible thing ive read in ages and people should refer back to your post prior to posting... thanks for posting and may your wife rest in peace. I struggle more with the opinions people voice about scenarios that really are none of their business, like Michael Schumachers health and what they think when they have NO idea....once again I hope people put things into perspective and think before they "type"

[Express]

Thanks for the condolences, as a family we are still somewhat in shock and deeply in mourning.

These situations are awful and because there is so much emotion involved the last thing you ever want to do is let go of someone you love regardless of their wishes or even if your head tells you it’s the right thing to do.

So it is a sensible topic to bring up with your families and finalise legally while you have the chance.

Our ordeal was quick but it was over a few months which at least gave us some time to prepare the legal side of things, some people don’t get that chance, for some you’re here one day and gone the next.

There are members on this forum who are more equipped to give legal advice than me as what I have to say is only as someone who has just gone through it.

So seek professional advice when planning your affairs.

We already had wills and general Powers of Attorney in place but it wasn’t until my wife became ill that an elderly relative informed us of the need for the Enduring Power of Attorney and that sent us off to a solicitor for legal advice.

Also and this wasn’t in our case but it something that happen last year to a friend of ours whose husband died young.

His employer deposited her husband’s salary into her husband’s personal bank account and it had accumulated and grown over the years to a substantial sum and was their only source of income. Because the account was only in his name it was suspended until probate was finalised leaving her without access to funds. If that salary had been either deposited or regularly transferred to a joint account it would have instantly become hers and falls outside any will. And I guess most of you know the same goes for property where joint ownership on the title deeds means the property automatically goes to the surviving spouse, de facto or partner and also falls outside of the will.

Of course the old saying that where there’s a will there’s a relative always applies and everything is contestable but to do the best you can for your spouses and partners it’s best to start early not later when later can be too late.




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[CFOUR]

moving to where more experimental treatments are legal. i.e. stem cells.

[FTE217]

Thanks for your post Express.
All the best to you and condolense's mate and your family.......
Spot on, its up to the couple full stop and many don't discuss this TUFFest "challenge" till its too late.....
Thanks about the Enduring POA tip.
I take my hat off to Schumi's wife very much, whatever they had discussed when he was in normal condition or not she also must love this man veryvery much and clinging to the "miracle" for she probably has had the chance countless times in discussion with the specialists - you know what, enough is enough lets let him RIP.
Lord knows what hers/his life is like but its still got something I guess.
Amazing to think about this circumstance - yet us typical humans can't help but wonder why.
When its not in your house you can't relate.

[Express]

Touching comments allegedly from “family members” of the star suggest he weeps when he sees beautiful scenery from his window.


https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports...a%E2%80%99s%20





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[Bossxr8]

Sounds like he is unable to communicate.

[Express]

The “close relatives” told magazine Paris Match: “When you put him in his wheelchair facing the beautiful panorama of the mountains overlooking the lake, Michael sometimes cries.”

When I read this and I understand it may not be fact but if I had once been a very active man with the abilities of Schumacher looking out at this view from a wheelchair and I only had minimal capabilities to communicate I'd be crying too, crying because I'd rather be dead.



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[prydey]

Originally Posted by Express

When I read this and I understand it may not be fact but if I had once been a very active man with the abilities of Schumacher looking out at this view from a wheelchair and I only had minimal capabilities to communicate I'd be crying too, crying because I'd rather be dead.



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If I was a teenager (Mick), I think I'd rather have a father, even like that, than no father.

All anyone knows is what is leaked or reported to the media. I'm happy for him to still be in this world.

[Express]

Originally Posted by prydey

If I was a teenager (Mick), I think I'd rather have a father, even like that, than no father.

All anyone knows is what is leaked or reported to the media. I'm happy for him to still be in this world.

I’ve been through something similar to this recently with my wife and I can say for myself and my family the last thing you ever want to do is let go, you want to hold on to a piece of them forever regardless of the emotional cost.

The medical professionals told us keeping her alive was futile and we could see the logic of that but that didn’t waver us as we still wanted to hold on but we couldn’t as we knew her expressed wishes were not to exist like that and support was turned off.

I can’t talk for Schumacher and his family as I don’t know them, nor do I know anything about his real condition, I can only talk for myself and it’s not something I’d wish for myself regardless of what my family wants or if they feel incapable of letting go.

Just an opinion as I understand we all think differently on issues like this because life is precious but so is the quality of it.




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[FTE217]

yer I read about this before - so friggin sad no matter who you are but you got to wonder.
He or any of us in that position would wish to be gone ? or some people just want to keep hanging on for all we know.
Or is it the family not wanting to let go ?
Its so hard to fathom tbh.
When your that good at something and worse in such a dangerous game and the results you achieved must be torture in his mind.
I hurt about this.

[b0son]

https://www.news.com.au/sport/motors...094b036826a01c

Speaking with Bild, the Prefect of the Pontifical Housing in the Vatican said: “He senses that loving people are around him, caring for him and, thank God, keeping the overly curious public away.”

Sounds to me like he's little more than in a vegetative state.