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I'm actually quite excited by the Ecoboost range and the Ecoboost 4 Falcon. From an engineering point of view it's amazing. Being able to make multiple injections directly into the cylinder as it's firing is awesome technology and means that the whole ignition characteristics of the engine can be controlled, which in real terms means you can up the compression sky high for a turbo engine and even the boost can go up over a regular motor, which amounts to greater torque and power from a much smaller engine.
Now what I would like to see is Ford or even Orbital design a direct injection LPi injector (not sure if this has been done yet) and system. With LPG having an octane number above 100, the power advantages are even greater, with higher compression and boost being theoretically possible. Imagine a 220kW Ecoboost Falcon 4 with 400Nm of torque from 1500-4800 rpm and getting 8L/100km on LPG!!!!!!!!!! That would be a quantum leap in car design.
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My thinking is its still an internal combustion engine. Apply the same direct injection technology to a V8 (with no turbo) and it will return the balance. More power, less stress and good fuel economy. Take the Polo as a case in point, it has a clever engine but it still needs a 7 speed gearbox to over come a narrow power band. I'm not one of those people who has my head in the sand but we have to look at it objectively. A bigger engine without turbo and a complex gearbox will surely be cheaper to manufacture. So long as weight increases in cars due to demands of luxury, safety legislations and trends (Checkout the parade of high riding cars) big engines will still be in service.
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A lot of the European manufacturers are infact gearing up for next gen diesel with ultra low NOX requirements while a lot of Asian manufacturers are pressing on with hybrids and electric vehicles instead of further refining ICEs. The strength of Ecoboost is not just the DI and Turbo part, it's really all about the very sophisticated software ' that allows remarkable things to happen that aren't normally possible with a conventional Bosch DI Turbo set up. The problem in the US is that Ford is trying to sell 2.0 Ecoboost into vehicles that are much heavier than the Mondeo and Falcon, more like Territory weighted vehicles, I think that's a mistake and it could hurt them.. Last edited by jpd80; 27-12-2011 at 01:45 PM. |
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More recently you have the SkyActiv-G for Petrol and Skyativ-D for diesel have been released with the same technologies, but tuned for economy, although performance is still good - especially in the diesel. |
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Yes F150 Ecoboost V6 is selling well What I'm saying is the initial uptake on 2.0 EB Explorer ( my info direct from dealers in the US) is very slow. The point is that the V6 Explorer has something like 20% improvement over the last BOF Explorer, I'm thinking most buyers are not prepared to give up the beautiful ease of performance afforded by the 3.5 V6 just to get a little more highway economy. Dealers are saying EB 20 Explorer is a hard sell. A good analogy for Australians would be Ford turning around and putting the EB 20 into Territory. Sure you might get 8.5 l/100 km but not being able to tow much and having to drive it gently to achieve those numbers compared to the ease of a V6 diesel would surely disappoint buyers... And as for the rest of your post, Ford remains an across the board delivery of GDTI where as a lot of the others you quote are using GDTI as a showcase in one or two models - that's the difference. The next 12 months will see Ecoboost roll out on just about every main stream Ford vehicle. The Ford Ecoboost system, particularly the Gen 2 and Gen 3 stuff is way ahead of stuff Bosh is trying to sell to VW and MB.... Last edited by jpd80; 27-12-2011 at 08:01 PM. |
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With similar power & torque to a 4.0 EL Falcon the issue here will be more of perception than reality. Car advice is reporting 0~100 times of 7.2 sec. Thats very good for an eco car.
We have a C250 CGI that's a 1.8 turbo petrol with 147kw and a bit over 300nm in a 1550kg car. Loaded with a bootfull of stuff and 5 adults and has no issue cruising past other normal uphill. The secret is boost management and it seems FoMoCo is on top of it. Let the good times roll.
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i think its needs its own identity to truly succeed, the falcon 'brand' unfortunately carries some level of stigma, whether rightly or wrongly.
whether ford dropping the falcon badging from the fg's is a sign ford itself knows this or not, i think the ecoboost deserves its own identity. many wont buy a falcon because of past 'perceptions', no amount of tech will change that. much like camry/aurion, it could work for ford. |
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![]() Anyway i think people r way too worried about peoples percieved perceptions of falcons having a bad name. most of that is purely fuel economy from being a larger car anyway...which is a givn. Bettering a product that still has alot of respect..which the falcon deffinately has..can and will change peoples minds instantly. look at hyundai for example...theyre a whole company full off examples of this haha |
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Just read a review of the latest 3 series, 2.0 di turbo, 180kw, 350nm, 6.1 0-100 and 6.3 l/100km. Weighs 1500 kg, similar stats to the Falcon (hopefully) just add 200 kilos. Proof there is a future with this approach for performance/economy mix, but the swedes have known that for decades (SAAB, Volvo).
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How much higher will the ecoboost be priced above the I6
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Any idea what sort of power results they are getting with their system.
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I know Derrick Kuzak was personally involved and made a lot of things happen to assist FoA.. Thanks to T6 project, FoA are two for two: 1) Emissions modelling program proved Euro 4 upgrades to i-6 were cost effective 2) Two T6 Ranger RWD mules with Falcon weight were fitted with 2.0 Ecoboost engines and used to convince chiefs that the Ecoboost engine would work well in Falcon. |
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The big thing was we as ausssies were scared the falcon was going & so was the 16 ENGINE, we didn't mind the EB but we hated the idea that the FALCON was going to be a FWD car????????????? |
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No the keeper missed the ball & i got a 4
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Personally I don't think this will save the Falcon.
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All the press bantering about a FWD Falcon has been linking it with next gen Taurus, which continually gets shut down by those who know anything by the way. I cant even recall Kuzak mentioning any future dates and Falcon in a single sentence. In any case, both Taurus and Falcon will go until around 2015 before their next complete updates. |
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