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Yet the ranger hybrid will be a petrol vehicle. So either the car companies know something. Or the global market will sell better with a petrol hybrid and Australia isn't worth the huge investment needed to create a diesel version.
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Maybe there's issues around stop/start nature and low load scenarios of hybrids and using a diesel engine for it. |
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Diesel is too dirty to meet the ever tightening emissions regs.
One of the reasons Everest will be reclassified as a commercial vehicle I believe.
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If you were doing that trip for work 5 days a week (240 work days excl 4 weeks annual leave) it'd cost something like an extra ~$1700/year in car Everest vs LCV Everest - just one way, so times by 2 for return trip. Depending on where I'm working I tend to use both tolls roads in Melbourne - Citylink + Eastlink. |
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Yes, and rego.
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Also one of the reasons I bought an Everest instead of a Ranger. I pay 4cyl rego here in SA. Ute rego would be double. Roughly $650 v $1300/yr.
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Diesel electrics Can this tech be applied to road vehicles? You have more tech expertise than me |
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Prydey is on the emissions line of thought - could be, but hybrids have been around for a long time now, think back to the first Prius in the late 1990s, no diesel engine back then either. Could also be something like diesel engine develops its torque down low and receives hardly any benefit from having an electric motor doing something there. Maybe its the extra cost of a diesel engine, they're a bit more expensive than unleaded engines, maybe doesn't hold up with price/performance benefit for the bean counters? Dunno, we've got an ex Ford Australia engineer here who worked on the Ranger platform, there'd be a reason for why everyone keeps overlooking this and it could be a multitude of reasons we're all beard stroking about here. I don't have facial hair, so mines my downstairs beard ![]() |
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I don't think it's anything special, but Ford corporate policy is that all Hybrids are gasoline. It probably makes sense as you'd still need dpf, scr etc I reckon if you did a diesel hybrid. It would still need to meet current emissions standards on the diesel part of it
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Car hybrids have a battery, trains diesel electrics do not, hence the reason why they use diesel, diesel engine more suitable to run the generators under heavy load than a petrol engine.
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I knew I'd read it somewhere so did a quick google...
https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/new...-off-road-suvs Not necessarily the article I saw but it seems it's a federal govt decision rather than ford, and applies to suv's that are based on ladder frames... and a few other criteria. I wonder if it will apply retrospectively. Anyway, that's a bit off topic for this thread. I believe there is a thread already discussing NVES somewhere.
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Dumb question of the day.
Seeing Ford USA doesn't want to export the Maverick. How hard would it be to engineer a Monocoque Bodied Ranger? It would still be the same size but offer the more car like Monocoque feel and in theory be cheaper. Would it be hard to do, seeing they already have engineering done for the stuff above the chassis?
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The hybrid diesel Hinos we have at work at awful things. I don't actually think it's a Hino design because it's just so terrible, they recently amalgamated with Fuso so I reckon it came from them.
It weighs much heavier (500kg) than a non hybrid, and isn't any better on fuel and if anything its worse. Oh they break down all the time too I was so hopeful it would be something as good as Toyota's petrol hybrid, but its actually embarrassingly bad. You'd have to wonder how something like that even got signed off on.
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![]() Hino specs say it's their design... Feels alot like the Fuso pos box. The smaller non-hybrid Hinos have an Aisen (Toyota/Hino) torque converter auto. The bigger stuff have Allison boxes Both of which are great.
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