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It weighs about as much as my old 7 series, which is a 5.1M long luxo barge, How you can make a Golf sized hatch weigh that much is hilarious. Have seen a few on the road, they look good But it's 1900kg and under powered, with an expensive price tag. I think for me I'll be waiting for a Tesla Model 2 to come along Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 17-08-2024 at 04:42 PM. |
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just as supplier shortages were becoming a continual problem but nothing eventuated. |
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I guess the separate brands are seen as incremental sales, looks like over 300/mth for Cupra brand
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Even as possibly Ford's biggest apologist on this forum I have to admit it does seem lazy to just pull out of the competitive segments.
I understand for the Australian market given we're a tiny island with a small population but to pull out of Europe does, from the outside admittedly, seem like they can't be bothered putting the effort in. The products, while no longer market leading, are still good products selling in reasonable numbers. I understand emissions policy in Europe does not bode well for the future of ICE vehicles so perhaps ford can't be bothered pouring money in to development especially if the return has a limited time frame. I do think Europe will support BEV vehicles much better than Australia
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Looks like head office is very unimpressed at the decline in sales occurring in Europe and want change. I have now idea what if any impact that will have on future vehicle supply but we can hope for change.. |
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Catching up with thread here, you got it in one smoo. And Franco is correct too, it sucks when that unique product you like gets the chop. Immense boredom in the replacement process, drop 50K for something you don't want? Was off with the US market last night and CDJR is in real trouble, to an extent the big 3 are stockpiling unsold inventory on dealer lots as well as hiring space nearer the factories, the consumer there has snapped after covid pricing and won't pay $110K US for a Grand Wagoneer (ship them here! Oh, left hand drive). A moment of reckoning is occurring in their dealers and I remember from reading that inventories piled up in late 1928 but it took until the next year for the market to realise this. EV resale in the US is armageddon at present, and if all the growth that went with the inflation reduction act comes in for a fall, that's a classic capital misallocation bubble just as the GFC was with houses. I do wonder if the US flooded the world with it's unsold domestic inventory, like China is doing, if it raining pickups and ultra huge SUVs would make Australia great. In the regions at least.
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Make utes great again, still have the fancy Thailand Special, but bring in the Agrale Marrua AM200 https://www.safescape.com/vehicles/agrale-marrua |
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My claim is backed up by the fact if you remove ABN purchases from the VFACTS stats, Tesla Model Y is Australia's most popular car from private buyers. |
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Also, you are assuming that those buying with an abn wouldn't still buy the same car if they had no option to subsidise. That may be true but it's speculation only. They may not be the most popular but they would still be popular.
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Take away those incentives and you'd find not everyone's wife is interested in driving some ladder frame monster that steers like the Costa Concordia. |
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Ford keep adding models... At the top. I think that says where they think the market is at. Other marques are doing the same.
No one is bringing out a basic ute. I guess it's about profits. If they brought out a povvo spec with a decent driveline it might be different, I agree but they don't. So when you option up to the bi turbo in the base model, you may as well just buy XLT.
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Yeah, I read through the comments on the dealer lot inspections vids, plenty of tradesmen over there saying 'I got a pick up for 35K before covid, no way I'm paying 75K for it now, I just want the base model for work'.
The little Toyota ute in India looks a bit like that one Franco! In US, they've had layoffs, production cuts, dealers refusing stock, and incredibly Stellantis seems not to be offering much in the way of incentives to clear stock so dealers are frying. Worth checking out on any of the US auto channels on yt. A few links, the channels do love a bit of drama, which is happening over there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sZPtPL2tIA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMuwvEzXk8Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7DfwVCjsN8 Not just mopar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEejvo3xHgg In terms of hybrids mentioned in thread above, I think the massive increase in sales is easily understandable and quite logical - it's a way to peg fuel consumption to something very reasonable, use existing built out infrastructure, able to do very long Australian trips without extra consideration, provides good power and acceleration. I think it's a good way to get the transition to electrification going in Oz with its vast distances, and that it will continue as more hybrids land in that midsize SUV category. Also, Toyota sales on the RAV were about 95% hybrid before they stopped the petrol, so the increase in hybrid sales because of this change would be marginal - it's consumer demand and volumes being able to be shipped to meet it. (The Fast Lane has a really interesting RAV4 offroad AWD test where more than once he mentions just how good the electric motor in the rear is with the zero torque gripping as he gets over the obstacles on track.)
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They don't need to because they're at the top of the market, but I've never met any sales person who was happy with their existing sales, you always want to take as much on the table as possible. Thats why Ford Australia lobbied the federal government tooth and nail about the NVES, because they realise they're cooked if the federal government introduces legislation effecting their only two profitable vehicles (Ranger and Everest). |
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Does the market REALLY want dual cab utes, or is the market being incentivised? Funny how when you remove non-ABN purchases of vehicles, Model Y now becomes Australia's most popular car. |
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