![]() |
|
|
The Pub For General Automotive Related Talk |
![]() |
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
![]() |
#61 | |||
Rlegaur Mbemer
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Perth
Posts: 1,594
|
Quote:
No, this was in reference to changing the law so mandatory jail terms were to apply. Someone goes to take off (not sure if they are over the limit, for example), then rationality hits them after initial hit of adrenalin and they would pull over under normal circumstances. But, in the event of mandatory jail terms, that rationality would then ask, do you want to go to jail for 5 years because you just took off and even if you do stop, they could've called in that you ran and hey, mandatory is mandatory! Confusion, a couple of drinks under the belt (not necessarily drunk), fear and panic may well be enough to send someone on their way.
__________________
[YEAH NAH] Red EL XR8 with Trick Flow top end kit, 70mm tb, 73mm maf, 24lb injectors, tweecer, 3.73s & tired T5 = 275rwhp & 13.155@105mph NA. 12.375@116.73 N2O - Off the road, awaiting White EL Series II XR8, manual, high flow cats, single 3" exhaust and Quarterhorse = 236rwhp and 14.18@97.5mph - E7 heads FTW! - SOLD |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#62 | ||
Regular Member
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: gold coast
Posts: 299
|
![]() |
||
![]() |
![]() |
#63 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 12,077
|
FFS
Do you people understand what the word MANDATORY means? It means there is no power for a magistrate to take anything into account. So if you are driving your pregnant wife or snake bitten child or whatever to hospital and do not want to waste time explaining this while they may die too bad.....6 months jail. You are in shock due to any number of reasons and do not notice the disco....tough....6 months. You are just riding along on your motorcycle at about 110-120km/h in reasonable traffic on windy rural roads and some junior officer in a police car tries to catch you but as he cannot overtake and never gets with 5km of you so you have no idea he was even there....who cares....6 months. You get a phone call that your wife of almost 20 years who is in the oncology ward has had a bad turn and will be dead very soon so you had better hurry and you manage to drive a Blueprint GT-P rego GTP66 from Brisbane airport to Hervey Bay hospital in under 2 hours and don't remember any of it but manage to get there just in time to say a last goodbye. Tough titties.....you go to jail son. Without an independent court system we are doomed. There are plenty of examples in history of what happens with out it, learn from them. P.S.at least three of the above events actually happened to people I know. |
||
![]() |
![]() |
#64 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 14,654
|
Quote:
What we DO need is a judicial system that has more flexibility to sentences for any given offence and more contemporary Judges in tune with public opinion who are prepared to sentence according to common sense....
__________________
335 S/C GT: The new KING of Australian made performance cars.. ![]() |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#65 | ||
Trusted Seller
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Franganastan
Posts: 909
|
It's certainly a good argument against mandatory sentencing.
|
||
![]() |
![]() |
#66 | ||
Thailand Specials
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Centrefold Lounge
Posts: 49,028
|
Do we actually have any mandatory sentences at the moment?
|
||
![]() |
![]() |
#67 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Sun City, North Australis
Posts: 4,274
|
Where did mandatory sentencing come into the arguement?
Someone suggested three strikes and your out..... There is also an appeals system.
__________________
You've seen it, you've heard it and your still asking questions?? Don't write off the Goose until you see the box going into the hole.... |
||
![]() |
![]() |
#68 | ||
Trusted Seller
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Franganastan
Posts: 909
|
just now i was walking my dog, and a highway patrol car ve ss (sounded wicked too) pulled over a hoon (tow truck came and took the pooh box), breathe tested and taken away in the back seat in tears.
closest freeway to the pullover was 1.4 k's away, dunno what the incident was or where it was, but he must have taken a while to pullover? highspeed chase, no, failing to stop within a reasonable time frame maybe as i could hear the sirens quite away for some time. i was actually expecting an ambo due to the old population in the area, quite comon. one can see how tempting it might have been for this guy not to pull over given the amount of time the sirens were going and they literally stopped in front of me. edit: i was deducing he didn't stop straight away... |
||
![]() |
![]() |
#69 | ||
Trusted Seller
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Franganastan
Posts: 909
|
big damo i thought they were gonna bring in mandatory jail for people running away from the police, that was about a year ago.... it might be on the books though I can't find anything on it.
|
||
![]() |
![]() |
#70 | ||
Banned
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 3,290
|
I dont think my opinions are the only right ones flappy old boy but i dont see why the do gooders have to win every time why not try mandatory death sentences for people who run from the police for awhile sure it wont solve them running but it sure will solve them running more then once which is currently the situation
![]() |
||
![]() |
![]() |
#71 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 12,077
|
Quote:
Say run through a park or playground or how about YOUR house..... If you REALLY want to see how your system works, go and live in PNG for a while. I suspect you may change your mind......... |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#72 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: QLD
Posts: 685
|
Quote:
![]() I really hope it's just my sarcasm detector that's broken. |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#73 | |||
Regular Member
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 468
|
Quote:
|
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#74 | |||
FG G6E in Ego
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Phillip Island
Posts: 72
|
Quote:
The RAAF boys at Williamtown actually got into trouble doing this exact thing a few years back. As practice they were putting missile lock on unsuspecting motorists in the Forster region. Harmless enough one would think, they weren't loaded, but they all got a reprimand for their antics. Having just driven from Phillip Island to Port Macquarrie and return within the past week I can certainly vouch for the fact that there are motorists out there where a live fire exercise would be warranted !!!
__________________
Roads?.....Where we're going we dont need roads !!!: ![]() |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#75 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,215
|
I have come across noobs who genuinely believe if you exceed the speed limit on even a good highway your a accident just waiting to happen.
And i believe that people who believed that nonsense are the ones who are usually just foolish incompetent wind bags. I seen idiots like them deliberately try to kill others on the road. By jumping on the brakes. Swerving out in front of an car overtaking Speeding up if someone tries to over take. They drive as tho there the law and they will play games with truck drivers like slowing down at the bottom of a hill and they always want to be in front of the truck as they ponce around. |
||
![]() |
![]() |
#76 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Sun City, North Australis
Posts: 4,274
|
People who commit road rage are not likely to care if your speeding or not....
__________________
You've seen it, you've heard it and your still asking questions?? Don't write off the Goose until you see the box going into the hole.... |
||
![]() |
![]() |
#77 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,215
|
Quote:
|
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#78 | |||
IWCMOGTVM Club Supporter.
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Sydney
Posts: 891
|
Quote:
![]() Crimes Act N.S.W. 1900 No 40 (Current version for 7 December 2010 to date) 51B Police pursuits (1) The driver of a vehicle: (a) who knows, ought reasonably to know or has reasonable grounds to suspect that police officers are in pursuit of the vehicle and that the driver is required to stop the vehicle, and (b) who does not stop the vehicle, and (c) who then drives the vehicle recklessly or at a speed or in a manner dangerous to others, is guilty of an offence. Maximum penalty: (a) in the case of a first offence—imprisonment for 3 years, or (b) in the case of an offence on a second or subsequent occasion—imprisonment for 5 years. (2) In this section, vehicle has the same meaning as it has in section 52A.
__________________
![]() Toys: 2017.5 LZ Focus RS, Magnetic Grey my new pocket rocket ![]() 2008 BF2 RTV Ute 1993 EB2 S-XR8 Sedan, Platinum, manual (now sold) 1975 XB Fairmont GS Sedan, Tropic Gold...or Starlight Blue...not sure yet...(SOLD) Last edited by platinumXR; 02-01-2011 at 05:14 PM. |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#79 | |||
Banned
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: PERTH. WA
Posts: 4,697
|
Quote:
I agree that road rage has a deep seeded cause which can go way beyond driving but if people were better drivers and paid serious attention to their surroundings it wouldnt happen nearly as much. People who cause roadrage are that bad at driving they dont even realise they are doing it which makes it even worse. And i recently have had unmarked cop cars speed up flat out behind me and tailgate me trying to entrap me into doing something stupid. So the cops can encite road rage but nobody else can because they are the grey area they call the law... And why should people obey the law and drive sensibly when the coppers run amuck and drive like complete idiots as an example to us all ![]() |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#80 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 18,985
|
Quote:
|
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#81 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 12,077
|
Quote:
The offendee must a) know the police are there (i.e. not just be "chased" from 5km behind or followed by a helicopter) b) not stop and c) drive dangerously. If all of the above boxes are ticked then the Magistrate can impose a suitable sentence. This is the way it should be.......mandatory is black and white in a world of grey (or pink in Sydney). |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#82 | |||
Banned
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: PERTH. WA
Posts: 4,697
|
Quote:
Not only are the coppers bad drivers that try to incite violence and bad driving,they will tazer you at the drop of a hat here in w.a. The only thing that should be mandatory is the drug testing of police officers before they go on duty so we can all be safer knowing we arent being pulled up and having our driving critisised/ being abused by a crack/meth head police officer on a powertrip. You may disagree with me but i tend to look at the problem from the other point of view, the one where the cops arent immediately right. The police these days are a lying bunch of drug addicted, bad attitude renegades just like the ones they chase around and they will always have their sympathasisers that think they can do know wrong(get down on their level yeah) I tried to make a complaint about a cop recently and it was unbelievable how much they tried to talk me out of it and let me know how hard it will be for me "but hey were only here to help" they said ![]() They are only here to help........ |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#83 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 18,985
|
Quote:
![]() Last edited by pottery beige; 02-01-2011 at 10:03 PM. |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#84 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Salamander Bay
Posts: 5,427
|
who cares if they die as long as they don't take other road users out with their stupidity. these guys are criminal scum who don't care if they put the rest of us in danger trying to out run the police.
I don't shed a tear when I hear one of them has commited suicide in this manner. The death of each one of them makes the road a safer place as they can't do it again. The police have hard enough job as it is with out civil libitarians bleating about the rights of criminal scum. If they die in a police pursuit it should be ruled a suicide and the police involved not tgraumatised by another inquisition Quote:
__________________
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Everyone starts off with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of experience. The trick is to fill the experience bag before the luck bag is empty. "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." Start a new career as a bus driver Rides: FG2 XR6 stock at this stage but a very nice ride xc 4 DOOR X CHASER 5.8 UNDER RESTO |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#85 | ||
Black 2006 XR8
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: SA
Posts: 177
|
hmmmm crak/meth head police officers?? I get more grief from P plate commodore drivers trying to goad me into a drag ..... why???..... I think the police have more pressing issues to deal with than forcing people to do the wrong thing.
Speed cameras would be one example, dont speed = no fine yet how much do they earn??? |
||
![]() |
![]() |
#86 | ||
chuck miller ford texas
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Kalgoorlie
Posts: 386
|
As far as the original post goes... I think the question was a reasonable one which i think alluded to this
"how often do crashes occur during a pursuit, only to be reported as though the pursuit had ended beforehand". An interesting one that deserves some discussion.
__________________
1918 Buick, 1930 Studebaker, 1953 Ford Crestline, 1955 Buick Special, 1957 Cadillac, 1962 Cadillac, 1963 Ford Galaxie, 1966 Ford Fairlane, 1971 Chevelle, 1979 Trans Am, 2002 Ford TE50, 2005 CV8 Monaro, 2010 G6e Turbo, 2014 FPV GT-F |
||
![]() |
![]() |
#87 | |||
Banned
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: PERTH. WA
Posts: 4,697
|
Quote:
No need to get personal, maybe you should go have a cup of tea. Im making general comments about the police force and what they have been up to and you think it is pointed at you,the cops have been getting done for being on meth at work, they have been tazing people left and right and there is an inquest or similar into that, im not just making it up,when did you last watch the news buddy? And it is directly related to the original post, maybe i can slag off at people if i become a donating member too... |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#88 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 18,985
|
Quote:
|
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#89 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: QLD
Posts: 4,446
|
Time for the chill pill ppl. Keep it on topic please.
__________________
FORD RULES OK The more I know ppl the more I love my DOGS. 2011 SY Territory Limited Edition TS 2000 AUII SE ute IL6 |
||
![]() |
![]() |
#90 | ||
Size it up
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: big blue ball of mostly water
Posts: 591
|
A long time ago a copper in Vic told me of a chase he was involved in.
He was pursuing an XD with a badly smoking motor that wouldn't last much longer, and the driver took to the West Gate Fwy and started heading up the bridge. The copper crapped himself because he suspected the driver might get to the top of the bridge and jump. He then told me that once the lights came on the pursued was considered to be in custody, and if he jumped while the disco was flashing, it would be classed as a death in custody. Death in custody = bad. Very messy investigation follows for the police involved because of stupid rules! And mandatory sentencing, an absolute crock being pushed by short sighted governments wanting to be seen to do something and looking for some cheap publicity. They're an shockingly blunt instrument that can easily do more harm than good. Since it's started to become more prevalent, the courts have had to start handing out more and more wholly suspended sentences, and now the brilliant Vic government is pandering to the public outrage about to many people not going to prison and looking to shut the gate on wholly suspended deals as well. Forget about taking into account the facts relating to what has actually happened, just lock people up for the hell of it! Of course none of this would be happening if the judiciary hadn't been such a bunch of softy dills for so long in the first place. For the record, I like the American system. If somebody runs, you take 'em down ASAP. End it. Full stop. |
||
![]() |