Upgrade: Polo Gti vs Fiesta XR4 - Page 3

MISTA FIESTA · 18-04-2007, 05:38 PM

Well thats not too far away then. In regards to price, some are saying between 26g -30g on road. They would need to compete with the Polo's new drive away price.

Piotr · 18-04-2007, 06:10 PM

Its not a good buy unless its cheaper than the Polo GTi. They are cheaper than the polo in europe so they should be cheaper here

bman · 18-04-2007, 06:49 PM

Polo 26990 + ORC (add 2500 for leather)
XR4 24990 + ORC (add 1750 for leather) (as of today may change)

Also the XR4 will be limited in numbers so do not expect much of a discount much like the undiscountable XR5....

murcod · 18-04-2007, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bman

Polo 26990 + ORC (add 2500 for leather)
XR4 24990 + ORC (add 1750 for leather) (as of today may change)

Also the XR4 will be limited in numbers so do not expect much of a discount much like the undiscountable XR5....

That's a good price depending on spec levels?

MISTA FIESTA · 18-04-2007, 06:57 PM

The XR4 already comes with semi leather standard.. Whats the option then?? Full leather???

Lplus · 19-04-2007, 02:55 AM

Heh, I'm just fascinated to hear what you all think of the XR4 in the flesh.

I like the idea of a white one for the amount of sun you all get, though I wonder how well the top stripes will cope with the heat. Side stripes only perhaps?

photn · 19-04-2007, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Lplus

Heh, I'm just fascinated to hear what you all think of the XR4 in the flesh.

I like the idea of a white one for the amount of sun you all get, though I wonder how well the top stripes will cope with the heat. Side stripes only perhaps?

we dont get side stripes unfortunately... atm my top stripes are fine. had them on now for just about a year....

Lplus · 19-04-2007, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by photn

we dont get side stripes unfortunately... atm my top stripes are fine. had them on now for just about a year....

Shame about the side stripes, though no doubt the aftermarket boys would provide. As to the top stripes I was thinking of the dark ones in the heat, yours are white.

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Ford OZ also wanted to spec it with a 6 sp gear box

I don't think the focus 6 speed will fit unfortunately, whatever the cost. Maybe modifications to the IB5 box might allow 6 speeds but there's no prospect of that over here afaik. It could do with a 6th 'overdrive' gear for long distances.

Still, pity the Clio 197 drivers who have 6 gears but apparently their 6th is the same overall ratio as the XR4 5th.

bman · 19-04-2007, 10:51 AM

From my understanding the seats are a leather option....or was a leather option....might be standard now. Ford OZ also wanted to spec it with a 6 sp gear box but it pushed the price too high to be compeditive.

As a side note, the thinking at most Ford dealerships is that this car is arriving too late. Expect alot of advertising around the standard fiesta in the next few months (and a price drop) to reinvigorate interest in the model.

Piotr · 19-04-2007, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bman

From my understanding the seats are a leather option....or was a leather option....might be standard now.

Half leather seats have been standard since the release of the ST, non leather was never an option. The leather price you stated if for Full leather which is a 750pound option in the Uk so priced perfectly here.

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Originally Posted by bman

Ford OZ also wanted to spec it with a 6 sp gear box but it pushed the price too high to be compeditive.

Who ever told you that needs a nappy places around their mouth. Ford don't have a 6speed unit that would fit so if you wanted a 6sp that would mean a $10,000 getrag unit like the St170 not to mention that no car company would ever go through the trouble of re-engineering a car for a market as small as Australia.

The Clio 197 has a 6speed because its peaky torque delivery means it needs to remain in the powerband during gearchanges. The ST on the other hand has a ruler for a torque curve and a 5speed is more than enough.

bman · 20-04-2007, 04:19 PM

re-read my post Piotr "Ford OZ also wanted to spec it with a 6 sp gear box but it pushed the price too high to be compeditive"

From the information i have Ford Australia felt that this car is already arriving on OZ behind the competition and wanted to investigate ways of enhancing the car. The biggest complaint around the current Fiesta has been the gear ratio above 100klm/hr. Ford OZ felt that a 6 sp might do the trick. They spec'd it, asked the factory and the factory said yes and it will cost you x amount. Ford oz then picked themselves up off the floor and stuck with the 5sp.......

Mate Ford brazil and columbia have a supercharged version of our much loved fiesta......if ford can make a dollar out of it, then the factory will do what the factory is told.

MISTA FIESTA · 20-04-2007, 04:29 PM

I think a 5spd is perfect, but a 6 would be awesome.. I wonder what other ideas ford have thought about bringing to the table?? Maybe finding ways to make it a bit lighter?

I hope some tuning companies are willing to tweak it out for all its worth/potential. (Ford need to find away to overcome the Gti's mod -ability.) Just look at what the UK are doing with em. They have Fiesta Cups and some have been dynoed with over 170hp with minor mods.

bman · 20-04-2007, 04:41 PM

I dont think there is a demand for companies in OZ to mod the car. The uk has a massive cult following and as a result plenty of mods available.

Piotr · 20-04-2007, 05:26 PM

If Ford Australia wanted a 6speed Fiesta ST they would have to firstly bring over several Fiesta ST from overseas and engineer the 6speed gearbox into them (Which would be near impossible due to space) if there was a possibility of a 6speed Team ST would be all over it. Its not a simply matter of bolting a random 6speed and hoping everything works. As before you heard BS

Ford don't care how modable the Polo GTi is. They sell stock cars and if people mod them warranty gets voided, they really couldn't care less

bman · 20-04-2007, 06:58 PM

'mods' from third party performance companies....not ford.

Teki04 · 20-04-2007, 07:56 PM

Not to be picky guys,

But it's GTI, not GTi.

GTi is the Peugeot way (and was Suzuki's). GTI is the true GTI - the VW!

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photn · 20-04-2007, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Teki04

Not to be picky guys,

But it's GTI, not GTi.

GTi is the Peugeot way (and was Suzuki's). GTI is the true GTI - the VW!

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Roflcopter @ pickyness. hey whats the story about suzuki not using the GTI name any who.

darkcloud · 20-04-2007, 11:29 PM

It's copyrighted/trademarked/etc by VW i suppose?

mitch_lx · 21-04-2007, 01:09 AM

VW

FPVWEPN · 21-04-2007, 12:42 PM

How is a colt ralliart a ricer????
THat bullshit fiesta is rice with its super gay roof stripes and all.
Also a k&n filter will not give you 21hp on a wheezy n/a 4 pot!!!
Hell you wouldn't even get 21hp increase by changing the filter on an xr6t or even a boss!!!!!!!!! off rant

Piotr · 22-04-2007, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by FPVWEPN

How is a colt ralliart a ricer????
THat bullshit fiesta is rice with its super gay roof stripes and all.
Also a k&n filter will not give you 21hp on a wheezy n/a 4 pot!!!
Hell you wouldn't even get 21hp increase by changing the filter on an xr6t or even a boss!!!!!!!!! off rant

That was never claimed. While looking back at my post it may seen confusing to someone who doesn't know who Miltek are. I assumed everyone in this section knew who Miltek was.

The 21Hp gain is from Extractors, Catback and K&N.

/rant

photn · 22-04-2007, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by FPVWEPN

THat bullshit fiesta is rice with its super gay roof stripes and all.

Just as Much as the GT40 is mate.. you are 100% correct there

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... considering the Fiesta ST stripes concept was taken from the GT40.....
Not to mention the XR5T has similar bodystyling to the Fiesta ST...

Your Definition of R.I.C.E.R needs to be changed bud....

Hasnt the Discussion on this topic ceased when Damo(Mista Fiesta) came to the Conclusion of what he is getting.....come n guys.....End it...

FPVWEPN · 23-04-2007, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by photn

Just as Much as the GT40 is mate.. you are 100% correct there

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... considering the Fiesta ST stripes concept was taken from the GT40.....
Not to mention the XR5T has similar bodystyling to the Fiesta ST...

Your Definition of R.I.C.E.R needs to be changed bud....

Hasnt the Discussion on this topic ceased when Damo(Mista Fiesta) came to the Conclusion of what he is getting.....come n guys.....End it...

Super gay on a fiesta not a car that has almost4 times the power output!!

Nappa · 23-04-2007, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by FPVWEPN

Super gay on a fiesta not a car that has almost4 times the power output!!

doesnt mean the Fiesta cant use the stripes, theirs nothing rice about a fiesta, and besides your user name has FPV in it but your Av is a XR....

Steffo · 23-04-2007, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by FPVWEPN

Super gay on a fiesta not a car that has almost4 times the power output!!

The stripe thing is a Ford thing. Mustang, Falcon, Fiesta, older Escorts, GT40 etc.

You know what's funny though. The Fiesta XR4 you make so much fun of can hose any pre-AUII XR8 Falcon, all the 80s V8 Falcons, and all the 70s stuff except the GT-HO's. That must make you full of pride. Knowing 30 years worth of "V8 muscle," can't beat a 4-cyl economy car.

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darkcloud · 23-04-2007, 10:37 PM

Fiesta Pride!! :1syellow1

Danny · 23-04-2007, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by FPVWEPN

How is a colt ralliart a ricer????
THat bullshit fiesta is rice with its super gay roof stripes and all.
Also a k&n filter will not give you 21hp on a wheezy n/a 4 pot!!!
Hell you wouldn't even get 21hp increase by changing the filter on an xr6t or even a boss!!!!!!!!! off rant

Be good if you could get a 21 IQ increase you tool.

So because you think you're ultra special now with a Turbo Taxi instead of an E series Sh¡tb0x you can give crap to those who cant afford or dont want a turbo taxi with a six speed bag o spanners!? Crap like you make me sick. Just cause it doesnt have 8 cylinders or 6 you can have a go and make these guys feel like crap!!!!

Who the hell do you think you are? Wheezy 4 cylinders, Ill have you know the Fiesta is a Fine car and BETTER put together than even (SHOCK HORROR!!) YOUR taxi! Not all four cylinders are crap, Pull your stupid ar5e into the year 2007, and grow up, I daresay that the XR4 would near put YOU to shame on a track with your fantastic world class Tremec Tranny. You effing knob. you dont like four cylinders? GO BACK TO YOUR APPROPRIATE FORUM!

Dont even BOTHER replying, cause your on my ignore list. Tool

Ives · 21-04-2007, 12:49 PM

Somebody needs a hug.

mitch_lx · 21-04-2007, 08:11 PM

FPVWEPN is correct, claims of huge horse power gains from an air filter are ridiculous..

rdster · 22-04-2007, 10:00 AM

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If you wanted ricer, you'd get a Colt Ralliart.

I consider that statement harsh and unfounded.
Some Fez owners could also be Ralliart Colt owners.....