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I was just wondering if anyone can tell me what the laws are for dogmen/riggers in WA if hardhats are mandatory when slinging loads?
Reason I ask, is we use a mobile crane in our Perth workshop, and no one uses a hard hat when slinging a load? Nor do contractors when they come in to do heavier lifts? What is Worksafes or a Mines inspectors take on this? I can not find any up to date info on this when I Google search? |
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Without actually knowing WA's regulations I would make the assumption that if a risk assessment deemed that there was a risk of being struck by an overhead falling object or load then it would be required that a hardhat is worn.
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I think that it would be a site specific.
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This is what makes it unclear to me? As we are not a site as such, just a workshop, is it law or is it up to the requirements of the company? Basically I want to know if it is law or just a rule?
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Mate, it seems that you need to wear a high viz vest when mowing the lawn now, so its a pretty safe bet that your guys should wear hardhats when slinging overhead loads. If I were an employer, they'd be wearing them, irrespective of legislation. Period. One less thing to be blamed for/sued by the WorkCover Nazis if something happened.
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hi,wait till you get hit in the mouth and head with a stray hook,youll wear one.
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No offence but probably a good idea to get up to date with workplace health and safety laws.They may be over the top but rest assured if you are not compliant and something happens the **** will hit the fan. Chain of responsibility springs to mind. In Brisbane they must use scanners as I have seen them turn up just after the ambo's get there without an incident even been reported.
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See http://www.slp.wa.gov.au/legislation..._homepage.html OHS Regs 1996.
Probably not as black and white as you might like but I think 3.33 covers it adequately - i.e. a risk assessment would suggest that a protective helmet would reduce the risk of death or injury from an object falling from the crane. Quote:
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should only be slung by a qualified rigger/dogman too? Our company is just going through all there safety procedures and I was wondering if it was them or law that stipulates these things? Our next topic is going to be EWP/ working at heights? Fall arresters and emergency procedues and tickets for these things! |
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Thanks mate, that was what I was looking for! Have you done your E series sills yet?
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Can`t wait for the fall arrester test , good govco should lead by example ? , next up joolz
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the OHS manager should really do a risk assesment/matrix thingy
if its above your head it can fall id be putting hats on
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Mate, I'd be wearing one regardless of your workplace policy.
Can't get in trouble for wearing extra PPE. I know for a fact you'd get reamed on site where I work if you didnt have a hard hat on when slinging loads.
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Isn't it obvious?
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youd get a written warning and a bollocking where i work
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Are you guys on a minesite or in a city workshop? The way I see it is there are so many grey areas. Most of the lifts we do are light objects and not very high. I agree, wearing one covers everybody involved, but what about when operating a bridge crane in a workshop? It is really no different? Our office guys are doing VOC's atm (I think that is what they are called) and all this is in review now?
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Even a light load <10kg could kill you if it fell from a meter above your head and hit you. I look at as if I was the worksafe guy, if I think he could ping me for it I try and prevent it.
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PPE in the hiearchy of controls is the final control against injury.
For those interested, it goes like this: Elimination. Substitution. Engineering. Administration. PPE. I am an OHS rep on commercial building sites here in Melbourne. On my site, I don't care what you are lifting, with any kind of crane, you WILL have a hard hat on. On my sites it is mandated as part of your SWMS that all persons on site have hard hats on. I can appreciate that you work in a workshop environment but the rules of construction don't change. A load can shift and hit you when lifted. Regardless of whether you are on site or in a workshop or going to smoko, the load doesn't know where you are and what PPE you are wearing or lack thereof. I drum in to the lads on my site this exact point. Jack
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There is no "law" that makes you wear PPE. The law stipulates that employers need to provide a safe workplace, the employer then implements a policy that provides for the safe work place, one of which maybe all employee are to wear a hard hat when working near a crane.
This means that different work places have different policies. The only thing is a union or similar body may stipulate certain things in respect to safety ie the railways stipulate lace up boots, there is no law that stipulates lace up boosts but the railways policy states no lace up boots no work on their site. |
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Thanks for that. That is what I wanted to know.
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Mind you, we can't scratch our bums here without filling out an incident report.
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Here in Victoria, under section 21 of the OHS Act...
An employer must, so far as is reasonably practicable, provide and maintain for employees of the employer a working environment that is safe and without risks to health. Last year, all of the governments around the country attempted to harmonise the OHS laws and regulations so that the same laws apply across the nation. So far everyone wants their own deal. Harmonisation, so far, has failed. It's a shame too. In all honesty, it looks easy. Outwardly, it isn't. Hard Hats on commercial sites here in Victoria have been mandatory for 16 years. It is still my biggest issue with blokes on site. I had one today working within 5m of a Concrete Placing Boom, his back to the machine and took off his hard hat, put it on the mesh and went on working. He didn't know I was watching. Because of this, he is now on his last and final on my site. From my perspective, these blokes on site who flout the rules in this way are a liability in my workplace. They don't understand or care about the chain of responsibility laws, let alone the fact if they are hit and die what it's like to be in the coroners court. Jack
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Bring on SA next year and fingers cross WA and Vic come to the party on day in the future especially since they are based on the Vic legislation just slightly watered down on places. |
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