According to Drive Ranger XL and XLS are not selling?

[Franco Cozzo]

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

All he did was moan about all the missing features. It's the base model moron!

[prydey]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

All he did was moan about all the missing features. It's the base model moron!

It's Maric... Par for the course. Although he did review escape quite well a couple of years ago.

[Giant Cranium]

It’s missing things that should be in the base model. Cup holders and more storage. I find his reviews spot on.

[Franco Cozzo]

It's the base model but it's also $53K - I'm thinking that's where the emphasis is there.

Interestingly it's optioned up with the twin turbo engine though, curious what it costs in povvo spec single turbo guise.

If you were to compare it just on price that's i30N premium and mid spec WRX money and this thing has drum brakes on the rear axle and no auto up windows.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

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If you were to compare it just on price that's i30N premium and mid spec WRX money and this thing has drum brakes on the rear axle and no auto up windows.

But you can put a tonne in the back, fit the wife and kids in, and tow the boat or van...

It's all about perspective.

Not to mention it still passes ADR's with drum brakes.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by prydey

But you can put a tonne in the back, fit the wife and kids in, and tow the boat or van...

It's all about perspective.

Not to mention it still passes ADR's with drum brakes.

Yeah but it costs 1/3rd to manufacture too, its a body on frame ute - so whats the excuse for the poor specifications and inclusions?

The VDJ79 Landcruiser passes ADRs too without meeting the side impact crash requirements of ADR85 - only because they increased its GVM specifically to avoid having to meet them.

So meeting ADRs with drum brakes is a bit of a moot point really, just because something meets the standards, doesn't particularly mean its good.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Yeah but it costs 1/3rd to manufacture too, its a body on frame ute - so whats the excuse for the poor specifications and inclusions?

The VDJ79 Landcruiser passes ADRs too without meeting the side impact crash requirements of ADR85 - only because they increased its GVM specifically to avoid having to meet them.

So meeting ADRs with drum brakes is a bit of a moot point really, just because something meets the standards, doesn't particularly mean its good.

You can buy an ozito drill with batteries and charger and still have change compared to a makita skin. It's just how the world is. Products get sold for what they can sell for not what they're worth.

I do agree that the base ranger is expensive for what it is but hey, they can get away with it.. For now.

Picking on the brakes really is moot. The brakes work. It's the same as picking on Holden v8 models for having push rods. Yes, it's old tech, but it still works fine.

[Giant Cranium]

Some fair points. Except the tray liner. Ford put that factory for falcons otherwise they tray would have been useless

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by Giant Cranium

Some fair points. Except the tray liner. Ford put that factory for falcons otherwise they tray would have been useless
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I know the plastic tub on Falcon Utes was like that. So why did they not build Ranger tubs the same way? The only reason I can think of was cost.

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

I know the plastic tub on Falcon Utes was like that. So why did they not build Ranger tubs the same way? The only reason I can think of was cost.

I'm not sure I even understand your question?

[XR Martin]

At work, we got a late 2022 Workmate Hilux single cab 2wd, just realised that they no longer have intermittent wipers (letlone variable)

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

At work, we got a late 2022 Workmate Hilux single cab 2wd, just realised that they no longer have intermittent wipers (letlone variable)

Chip shortage, must be shortage of three position wiper switches

They probably won't have brakes on the rear axle next - already has drums it's basically like having no brakes anyway

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by simon varley

I'm not sure I even understand your question?

Ford Australia built Falcon Ute tubs with the plastic bedliner as an integral part of the tub dating back to 1999.

Ranger tubs are all build with a steel bases and inner sides, up spec models then have a tub liner attached over the top. So, there is an element of redundancy and added weight here.

The observation I'm making is that Ford Australia showed innovation and built their tubs for Falcon in a smarter way, eliminating added steel, saving weight and giving all Ute customers a more versatile and durable solution. Plastic tubs also age better than painted steel, as mentioned, the car I drove was already jacked up with dints and scraped paint. I do remember at the time Ford making comment about those tubs being able to be replaced after hard use if required.

The way I see it, using past experience and knowledge could have been implemented here on the Ranger, making it a better workhorse in the process. I was probably too hard on this aspect in the review I posted last week, but I guess I'm intrigued at these sorts of decisions car makers make.

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Ford Australia built Falcon Ute tubs with the plastic bedliner as an integral part of the tub dating back to 1999.

Ranger tubs are all build with a steel bases and inner sides, up spec models then have a tub liner attached over the top. So, there is an element of redundancy and added weight here.

The observation I'm making is that Ford Australia showed innovation and built their tubs for Falcon in a smarter way,

no not really. using the Falcon analogy you'd have to fit a tub liner 100% which would totally void the cost save on the low series cars that don't have it fitted.

[simon varley]

after a short while I love the new door handles. if you reach across with your left hand, you naturally look over your shoulder as you open the door. Lifesaver for cyclists.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by simon varley

after a short while I love the new door handles. if you reach across with your left hand, you naturally look over your shoulder as you open the door. Lifesaver for cyclists.

They are much more ergonomic. So simple to use.

First time i've ever heard someone complain about them. Usually the journos find something silly to pick on but they praised them.

And you can use them with thick gloves on too.

[kevino]

Not cost cutting Simon?

[Hemihunter]

We just ordered 2 x - XL 4x4 Double cab 2023.5 - cab chassis $55,500 on road each. Delivery is May 2023. ..so not in stock

Spoke to transmission guy last week , the 10 speed auto has its issues , he says he sees 20 Ranger Auto to 1 Isuzu come thru his workshop for Rebuilds. Thought Ford had sorted the Auto issues with the Rangers ? anyway i guess the extended warranty they offer now is lot better than previous models. Fingers Crossed.

[barra240t]

Originally Posted by Hemihunter

We just ordered 2 x - XL 4x4 Double cab 2023.5 - cab chassis $55,500 on road each. Delivery is May 2023. ..so not in stock

Spoke to transmission guy last week , the 10 speed auto has its issues , he says he sees 20 Ranger Auto to 1 Isuzu come thru his workshop for Rebuilds. Thought Ford had sorted the Auto issues with the Rangers ? anyway i guess the extended warranty they offer now is lot better than previous models. Fingers Crossed.

Would this also relate to the ratio of Ranger to Isuzu on the road?

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Hemihunter

We just ordered 2 x - XL 4x4 Double cab 2023.5 - cab chassis $55,500 on road each. Delivery is May 2023. ..so not in stock

Spoke to transmission guy last week , the 10 speed auto has its issues , he says he sees 20 Ranger Auto to 1 Isuzu come thru his workshop for Rebuilds. Thought Ford had sorted the Auto issues with the Rangers ? anyway i guess the extended warranty they offer now is lot better than previous models. Fingers Crossed.

So the 10 speed came in with the 2.0 twin turbo & I know there were complaints about it finding the right gear, the 3.2s wee still running the old trans. apparently with the new ones this is all sorted.

But can you dig your transmission specialist friend for more details of what was going wrong, Im always dubious about "the 10 speed auto has its issues"

most of these cars would still be under warranty, so an external shop wouldnt see many yet

nothing against the Isuzu , they are very reliable I hear maybe just missing a lot of features.., Im surprised he's seen any issues with them let alone rebuilds

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

So the 10 speed came in with the 2.0 twin turbo & I know there were complaints about it finding the right gear, the 3.2s wee still running the old trans. apparently with the new ones this is all sorted.

But can you dig your transmission specialist friend for more details of what was going wrong, Im always dubious about "the 10 speed auto has its issues"

most of these cars would still be under warranty, so an external shop wouldnt see many yet

nothing against the Isuzu , they are very reliable I hear maybe just missing a lot of features.., Im surprised he's seen any issues with them let alone rebuilds

Pump gears are the issue, my old employer had his Wildtrak replaced after having the pump gears done twice followed by a full box replacement and finally a blown brake hose.
In the early days they we're doing software updates but like the old powershift issues it was only a bandaid fix.
My mate had his done and reckoned all it did was have the trans shift through all gears everytime rather than skipping gears as originally designed.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Pump gears are the issue, my old employer had his Wildtrak replaced after having the pump gears done twice followed by a full box replacement and finally a blown brake hose.
In the early days they we're doing software updates but like the old powershift issues it was only a bandaid fix.
My mate had his done and reckoned all it did was have the trans shift through all gears everytime rather than skipping gears as originally designed.

Id be interested to know with any of the new Rangers what sort of shift behavior it has.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by Hemihunter

We just ordered 2 x - XL 4x4 Double cab 2023.5 - cab chassis $55,500 on road each. Delivery is May 2023. ..so not in stock

Spoke to transmission guy last week , the 10 speed auto has its issues , he says he sees 20 Ranger Auto to 1 Isuzu come thru his workshop for Rebuilds. Thought Ford had sorted the Auto issues with the Rangers ? anyway i guess the extended warranty they offer now is lot better than previous models. Fingers Crossed.

I'm assuming you have opted for the Bi-Turbo if you are mentioning the 10-speed? The single turbo 2.0 is paired with the older 6-speed.

[Hulsty]

Probably, there would be more latest gen Dmaxs/BT50 on the road than Rangers, not good for the 10speed.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Hulsty

Probably, there would be more latest gen Dmaxs/BT50 on the road than Rangers, not good for the 10speed.

How so, there would be far more 10 speed auto Rangers on the road then any of those two as the previous model Ranger was also a 10 speed..plus every auto in the US Ford market is usually the 10 speed when not the 8 speed....

[BENT_8]

Cant say I recall a month where Ranger outsold Dmax 20 to 1.
2 to 1 yes, but that wouldnt explain the 20 to 1 trans failure rate the mechanic suggests.

[Bossxr8]

This article by drive has turned into a huge backfire. XL was the highest selling Ranger model in Feb.

[Giant Cranium]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

This article by drive has turned into a huge backfire. XL was the highest selling Ranger model in Feb.

was it? or a brilliant marketing from ford? a little donation, an article telling everyone that there is stock of lower grades, bumper month

[prydey]

Or.. At the time of writing the article was correct.