First drive - Ecoboost!!

[FPV GTHO]

If you dont give the manufacturers support, they go somewhere cheaper. It doesnt get much simpler than that.

[monte.b]

Originally Posted by FPV GTHO

If you dont give the manufacturers support, they go somewhere cheaper. It doesnt get much simpler than that.

What like all the other companies that were forced to leave this country ,how come the gove didnt give them a hand, and there isnt anything simple about it really

[IceValk85]

what gearbox does the EB use? ZF 6spd like the 6 or?

Ice

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by monte.b

What like all the other companies that were forced to leave this country ,how come the gove didnt give them a hand, and there isnt anything simple about it really

They are a business. They are making billions now because they sold off all the unprofitable businesses like Volvo etc. If they "prop" them all up they WILL go broke.

Welcome to the real world. Government support it, or it goes. Only a stupid management would pump money into a loss making business.

[MS33LU]

Let's say Ford decide to stay in Oz but stop making falcons and only do imports. How many people get laid off..lets say half their staff. That's 750 directly (not including suppier companies). The gov't money was to keep the falcon in Oz for the next four years. To put those 750 ex employees on the dole(single, no kids rate) is $9,500,000 per year or 38 million over the next four. I think i'd rather see them employed, spending more money (than dole money) and keep the economy moving.

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by monte.b

,but as i said if the us company is going good let them prop their own business up over here ,cause they have done well over the years taking profits home with them

You just dont get it!!!


If you where the CEO of Ford & the Tialand government is going to give you millions to invested in Tialand & then the Australia government is going to give you nil to invest in Australia, which country will you put your investment into? This is what Australia is up against!! The car companies invest far, far more into this country than what the government goes with support. Do you want this invest to go oversea?? And all this before you even talk about income tax, company tax, carbon tax!!


Maybe other industries didn't get money becuase they where not going to invest in Australia like the car companies do.. I don't really have an answer for that..

[Paxton]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

You just dont get it!!!


If you where the CEO of Ford & the Tialand government is going to give you millions to invested in Tialand & then the Australia government is going to give you nil to invest in Australia, which country will you put your investment into? This is what Australia is up against!! The car companies invest far, far more into this country than what the government goes with support. Do you want this invest to go oversea?? And all this before you even talk about income tax, company tax, carbon tax!!


Maybe other industries didn't get money becuase they where not going to invest in Australia like the car companies do.. I don't really have an answer for that..

You do mean Thailand, don't you?

[XR_6falcon]

Originally Posted by MS33LU

Let's say Ford decide to stay in Oz but stop making falcons and only do imports. How many people get laid off..lets say half their staff. That's 750 directly (not including suppier companies). The gov't money was to keep the falcon in Oz for the next four years. To put those 750 ex employees on the dole(single, no kids rate) is $9,500,000 per year or 38 million over the next four. I think i'd rather see them employed, spending more money (than dole money) and keep the economy moving.

Your forgeting the flow on effects. It will not only be 750 people effected but many more...

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Paxton

You do mean Thailand, don't you?

Or Typoland ?

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by Paxton

You do mean Thailand, don't you?

yes yes!! I knew it looked wrong, but couldn't work our why!!

[burnz]

Originally Posted by monte.b

Thats wonderful so why dont they send some over here so us taxpayers dont have to prop their business up, after all im sure when ford here was making a good profit some of the money went home to the usa ,i love my fords but it is a business after all and it needs to be treated as such ,im sure the general public here would have liked ford to come out and say ,no we dont want any money our company is going good and we will pay our own way just the same as they did in the usa when gm and the rest took the gove money and went bankrupt .its called respect for a brand and they lost it by taking our money

tell me why govco shoudn't support auto industry?

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showpos...&postcount=199

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by JimStone

Solid build at 196cm & 125kg - 6'5" and 275lbs in the old language. Tried all positions on the steering wheel, seat hieght and slide adjustment - no joy. I really wanted to order a FG2 Ecoboost, but simply could not live with such a fundemental flaw. So I bought the EB Mondeo.

I agree with you on that. I got an FG for the day when my Focus was being worked on and the first thing I noticed when opening the door was the poor design of the front wheel and the seat. I'm small compared to some of the figures quoted here and it was not the easiest car to get in and out of.

There is no way my mum could have driven the car... she hated dads old XF and it seemes the positions are still very similar. I feel the Focus has a mch better driving position.

I look fwd to seeing how the sales go for the new Falcon. Hopefully it will be good results for Ford Aus

[monte.b]

the really simple solution to keep our auto companies and all of our manifacturing companies for that matter here in australia is to bring tariffs back in ,that would make the imported cars too expensive to buy here and our local cars would be in our price range ,same with all the other products but the gove wont do that cause we have a global village and we must compete with the rest of the world ,and eventually we will lose the lot ,no doubt about that ,simple fact is we cant compete cause nobody here wants to live like dogs

[superfly]

Thanks for the write up. I would seriously have considered one over the I6. My XR50 is my first 6 cyl car and I'm hating the fact that I have to pay more for rego than my WRX. Only thing that helps is that my insurance is about $300 cheaper at $560.

Originally Posted by stevz

Well it certainly is an issue for me, with the wheel all the way up and seat all the way down, the steering wheel is still in my lap and I cannot get comfortable whatever I do. This is the main reason I wouldn't buy a Falcon. And I'm 185cm and far from overweight.

Everyone is different and I'm 185cm's and 74kg and have no issues in my XR50. I wouldn't mind though if the steering wheel went higher or the seats lower but even still, I'm comfortable.

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by monte.b

the really simple solution to keep our auto companies and all of our manifacturing companies for that matter here in australia is to bring tariffs back in ,that would make the imported cars too expensive to buy here and our local cars would be in our price range ,same with all the other products but the gove wont do that cause we have a global village and we must compete with the rest of the world ,and eventually we will lose the lot ,no doubt about that ,simple fact is we cant compete cause nobody here wants to live like dogs

A “better” solution is export enhancement, but Australian Governments seem to have a problem getting their heads around it.
To get a better Falcon, it needs to achieve sales at a “globally” sustainable level. That makes it financially viable, and allows sufficient investment in development and production facilities. A better Falcon would also better meet the requirements of the export markets, so in a sense it’s a catch 22. But it also comes down to cost. So yes, some level of net tariff against companies that don’t manufacture in Australia, but also export enhancement to make it viable to build the Falcon & Territory for substantial export markets.
With a decent engine, at the right price the Territory should sell well in many markets. The Falcon, if cheap enough, could sell in the USA as a Mercury.

[FPV GTHO]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

The Falcon, if cheap enough, could sell in the USA as a Mercury.

A what?

[OzJavelin]

Interesting write up .. I'm actually very happy that they made it almost silent .. If it really does have the power of a BA XT then I'd think it would have more than enough power for the masses. Nice one!

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

A “better” solution is export enhancement, but Australian Governments seem to have a problem getting their heads around it.

With exports to the USA, FoA and Holden would be paid in US dollars.
So unless the Aussie falls back to 70 cents or there abouts, our exports
are hugely overpriced compared to competitors in US and Europe and any
lowering of prices to match would merely evaporate sales.
Caprice PPV is competing with PIs selling for $24,000....

The Falcon, if cheap enough, could sell in the USA as a Mercury.

Mercury is no more, it was wound up by Ford over 12 - 18 months ago.

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by monte.b

the really simple solution to keep our auto companies and all of our manifacturing companies for that matter here in australia is to bring tariffs back in ,that would make the imported cars too expensive to buy here and our local cars would be in our price range ,same with all the other products but the gove wont do that cause we have a global village and we must compete with the rest of the world ,and eventually we will lose the lot ,no doubt about that ,simple fact is we cant compete cause nobody here wants to live like dogs

I agree.. But doing that is no different to government co-investments.. It is still "our" money the government is spending..

[Chilliman]

All this argument about the government supporting or not supporting auto manufacturers in this country.

The biggest Govt support for an industry is mining/resources via the diesel fuel tax rebate, which incidentally the Greens are trying to get rid of.

Grants to the auto makers are a pittance in comparison.

[mike_nofx]

Forget the ecoboost engines, Ford should bring out the PowerStroke Diesel engines in the Falcon!

[FPV GTHO]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

Forget the ecoboost engines, Ford should bring out the PowerStroke Diesel engines in the Falcon!

What a STUPID idea. The 6.7 would probably have its centre mount turbo hanging out of the bonnet provided there was enough width for the rest of the motor.

[flappist]

Ford have a diverse and well thought out range in the FG2 Falcon There are 4, 6 and 8 cylinder engines as well as LPG. There is a great manual as well as auto and they are well priced.

Instead of constantly complaining why not just go out and buy one.......

[Buntz]

Originally Posted by flappist

Ford have a diverse and well thought out range in the FG2 Falcon There are 4, 6 and 8 cylinder engines as well as LPG. There is a great manual as well as auto and they are well priced.

Instead of constantly complaining why not just go out and buy one.......

I'm afraid I will fall short of being of that age where I've built up enough capital to buy my very own brand new Falcon.

Originally Posted by Paxton

You do mean Thailand, don't you?

no no no... is Thairan..

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

Forget the ecoboost engines, Ford should bring out the PowerStroke Diesel engines in the Falcon!

You mean Duratorq

Powerstroke is the large capacity 6.7 litre V8 diesel - previously Ford had 6.0 and 7.3 litre V8s co-developed with Navistar (International)

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Buntz93ED

I'm afraid I will fall short of being of that age where I've built up enough capital to buy my very own brand new Falcon.

By the time I was your age I had already owned a new Falcon (XC), new Gemini and new Laser. The trick was "I wanted to buy a new car" and worked 3 jobs (Apprentice Electrician, Pinball machine repair & VCR/TV installation) in order to pay for them in addition to all my other expenses.

My cars were all bottom of the range, no options with no car sound except a radio, no mags, no fully sic mods and were my prides and joy.

Of course I did not have the latest phone, game consoles, computer, name brand fashion and drank cheap beer instead of alcopops, only went to a fast food shop on very rare occasions, did not have a credit card or 43, did not own a TV/Stereo/(insert expensive toy here) went to the beach for a swim or the footy to watch a game for free rather than watching a movie in $30 seats at a cinema.

A number of my friends also had new cars. They also worked hard and did without "trendy luxuries".

A new Falcon is $30k (a years wage at entry level). That is only $100+/- a week on finance if you have no deposit, much less if you do.

So you CAN afford a new Falcon if you really want one.....

[FalconXV]

so whens the media launch?

[Buntz]

Originally Posted by jpd80

You mean Duratorq

Powerstroke is the large capacity 6.7 litre V8 diesel - previously Ford had 6.0 and 7.3 litre V8s co-developed with Navistar (International)

No John... he was being facetious.

[Buntz]

Originally Posted by flappist

By the time I was your age I had already owned a new Falcon (XC), new Gemini and new Laser. The trick was "I wanted to buy a new car" and worked 3 jobs (Apprentice Electrician, Pinball machine repair & VCR/TV installation) in order to pay for them in addition to all my other expenses.

My cars were all bottom of the range, no options with no car sound except a radio, no mags, no fully sic mods and were my prides and joy.

Of course I did not have the latest phone, game consoles, computer, name brand fashion and drank cheap beer instead of alcopops, only went to a fast food shop on very rare occasions, did not have a credit card or 43, did not own a TV/Stereo/(insert expensive toy here) went to the beach for a swim or the footy to watch a game for free rather than watching a movie in $30 seats at a cinema.

A number of my friends also had new cars. They also worked hard and did without "trendy luxuries".

A new Falcon is $30k (a years wage at entry level). That is only $100+/- a week on finance if you have no deposit, much less if you do.

So you CAN afford a new Falcon if you really want one.....

Sounds like hard work... I want the XR6 EcoLPi with luxo pack. (50k+)So I will start scrimping.

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by jpd80

With exports to the USA, FoA and Holden would be paid in US dollars.
So unless the Aussie falls back to 70 cents or there abouts, our exports
are hugely overpriced compared to competitors in US and Europe and any
lowering of prices to match would merely evaporate sales.
Caprice PPV is competing with PIs selling for $24,000....
Mercury is no more, it was wound up by Ford over 12 - 18 months ago.

Not sure in what universe lower price equals fewer sales?
Also doesn’t matter what we get paid in, what matters is the price. Yes, Aussie cars are more expensive to make, no **** Sherlock, if they weren’t everybody would be manufacturing here. Which is where export enhancement comes in.
As for Mercury, they stopped building distinct cars decades ago, and were recently would up as a marketing entity, but Ford have left the door open to selling them as a badge. Whatever, the badge worn by an Aussie Falcon would be a marketing decision. They might decide to resurrect the Falcon badge, or call it the Kangaroo, doesn’t really matter.