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One thing I find odd is the way Hagen has spun Mulally's quotes in the worst possible way, here's what Big Al said: Quote:
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Lets hope when they do scrap the falcon that they do a few limited editions, like gtho, and anniversary editions and what not give it a good send off.
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So you poor sods are kept in a permanent rumour mill and misinformation campaign until someone in management decides its time to pull the pin or media scare the last customer away. Time to work out if you are sticking around for the photo op with the last Falcon and a redundancy cheque, or heading out when you can find some work. Whatever you decide put yourself and your family first. When push comes to shove Ford will get rid of you when it suits them and if you are loyal that only helps them keep the line going until they are finished with the staff. Sorry to be harsh but that's how employers are these days. |
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How many bloody threads do we need on the falcons death?
Ford- if you going to kill it just come out and say dont just beat around the bush. Same if your going to keep it, its not that hard FFS.
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Ford will have a car in the large car segment going forward, and it will be a market leader. very negative stuff!! good chance it will be assembled here also. |
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2016 should see a local falcon, based on global componants...
The falcon is not dead at all.
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I hate to see it go, it's sucha good car, and great value for money.
That said, I have a deposit here for a last Falcon based FPV. ![]() 2015/6 delivery is OK.
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Will ford keep the design studios open when Falcon, then Territory are canned? Unless FORD are willing to re-tool CD, then the keys to Broadmeadows / Geelong. It will be generations before Australia accpets what has been done to a proud resource.
Also what happens to FPV and V8SC, or is this the one of the instigation for CofTF? Only time will tell, which does not look that far away. |
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Well sounds like I will be hanging on to my XR50T.... It might be worth money in years.
Better hook myself up with a 2016 FPV too.... Just after I bought my old Mitsu 380 the plant shut..... I bought my XR in 2010.... Maybe I am a bad omen ![]() |
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Ute by 2013 and whole plant 2016. Insiders tell me the place is cactus. Anyone here get to go in the plant? Whats your take? |
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well, if the falcon is selling and FoA is making profit...
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Only problem with the article is AGAIN Mullay/FORD don't give the jurno's anything to work with, so they'll twist what he has said to make an article.
This negativity than ends up being a thread on here and already, i feel like necking myself i'm that down. If we are feeling this way, how is a potential Falcon or Territory customer going to feel when reading this...... that's right, they'll go across and buy a Cromodore of Craptiva because there is never any negativity put in the press about them. Also they build all their cars here ;) (<- Public perception) |
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The Explorer is nothing like the Territory. If the Territory is Ford's biggest seller, then I don't think they'll scrap it, not soon anyway.
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just wondering what is the projected re-sale of 2nd hand used falcons going to be like in the next few years? Im asking simply, with such dwindling new sales figures over the past few years, there's now less and less of these cars in the used market. Does that mean resale will be better?
I know the young fella at work just bought a BF XT, but even though he didnt pay through the roof for it, he could have easily got himself a manual LS1 for that price.
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Wouldn't be suprised to see Falcon be outsold by Mondeo within a few years the way its going. Quote:
Ford will slowly decrease their involvement in V8SC and when Falcon goes they will just put a new set of body panels over the top of the Car of the Future chassis just like Nissan are doing. Its a control chassis and just takes whatever panels they want to stick on top, so it may be racing Mondeos or whatever. Quote:
Ford are introducing the Kuga and Ecosport to help cover the eventual losses from losing Territory. I wouldn't be suprised if they introduced the Explorer within the next year or 2 and start taking away some of the Territorys market. |
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Explorer will never get a guernsey here because it has not been developed for RHD. Not to mention the D3 platform it is based on is an orphan platform in itself and will probably go the way of the dodo once its own lifecycle is up.
The T6-based SUV is more likely the Territory replacement candidate.
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Ford aren't just going to come out and say its dead because there is still 4 years left for it to sell. If people hear its dead then nobody will touch it.
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1) Fusion/Mondeo 2) Next Gen Taurus - being developed by Ford NA 3) Next gen Edge - being developed bu Ford Europe That's just the products we know about.. |
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Sure, if I wanted to stick a poster on my wall, the Mustang would win hands down, and yes a big 2-door would be sweet, but in every other department our Falcon/ F6/ GT would win hands down. There’s nothing currently stopping Ford selling the Mustang here, except the last time they tried it failed miserably. If they can’t make a case for an XR8 variant of the existing Falcon, and ANY large car platform is still uncertain, how do they mount a business case for the Mustang? In regards the Falcon, why would he mention it in a speech in Europe when the name is unknown outside Australia? We’ve known for a long time that the unique E8 platform has no future. If there is to be a Large Ford sold in Australia, it will be built on the D3/D4. Period. The advantages of this (to us) are that it allows for AWD performance variants, would allow for a “Territory” based on either the Explorer or Flex and potentially with the option of real off-road capability. Whilst it still remains to be seen whether there is sufficient residual demand for a large car, if there is then Ford would be mad not to continue the Falcon name. Then the remaining questions are how “localised” the suspension could be and whether it warrants local assembly. There were rumours of a V8 variant, so perhaps there remains a role for FPV assembling expensive V8 performance variants. The alternative is an expanded Mondeo range, and use their clones of the CX7 &9 to fill the SUV gap. That would suck because your performance variant is going to be the turbo 4, or at best a V6 shoe-horned under the bonnet
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Originally Posted by Big Damo
I'd vote death to Falcon and Territory if we got Mustang, Explorer and F150 at reasonable prices. Originally Posted by MickyB I agree with you, I'd be able to handle it a little more easily if it meant we could buy Mustang's and F trucks at reasonable prices. Unfortunately 'One Ford' is just a way for Ford to rationalise killing off region specific models, it doesn't mean we'll get any of the good stuff that Ford NA can't be bothered building in RHD. In the coming years I expect Ford AU's vehicle range to be far more similar to Ford Europe than Ford NA. Quote: Originally Posted by FPVGT500 If we get Mustang, Falcon can go and die lol Quote: Originally Posted by Chilliman I 've loved the Falcon...if Ford are going to kill it then I hate them. But if they bring in the Mustang all will be forgiven. I can relate to these feelings. Going to North America I was stunned by the lower prices for really quite a lot of metal, the interesting and different designs, what was in them (loved the Ford Flex AWD wagons myself) and what I deemed to be a real, functioning large scale Capitalist market. I loved that in a bar or restaurant you actually got involving, witty customer service and tipped according to this - on a base $7/hr wage there is real incentive for people to excel. The pricing for totally equivalent items/services in Australia was not even close to competing, and as a consumer I decided to go "on strike" once home, unless I could see competitive pricing or value. Or order overseas. By the looks of retail this year, a lot of other Australians came to the same conclusion at about the same time, and it cuts in terms of people's work and livelihoods. When I thought about it, there was one exception: if the product or service is Uniquely Australian, available nowhere else, and appealed to me, it was worth the premium. Falcon and Territory fall into this niche, as does a tourism experience at Kata Tjuta, as does a stubby of Coopers pale ale. In the global volume scheme of things, a RWD inline 6 Falcon is far more exclusive than a BMW 3 or 5 series - in sheer numbers alone. It is rare. A Territory is far more exclusive than an Explorer or Grand Cherokee, or Kluger/Highlander, or probably the X5 which inspired it. And with inexorable AUD, market and policy pressures on these products, they are becoming more rare and exclusive by the day. So consider that, they are rare and precious. |
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went to our local ford dealer this morning - only 1 falcon in there (an xr). No FPV, no ute, no territory inside the showroom. I could not see any FPV on the lot anywhere. Sad, and an indication of where the Falcon is in the heirachy.
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NO!!!!!
I love the falcon :( Down in history with the valiant... |
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