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Please point me to any research or hard evidence that increasing speed limits saves lives. BTW I am open minded and ready to be proved wrong but I haven't so far been able to find anything that supports that assertion myself. It would certainly be interesting but if true likely a special case with exceptional circumstances (e.g .ambulances using dedicated emergency lanes).
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2ndly our licencing system , and foreigners are a complete disgrace on the road , with only employed tax payers being penalised or punished ,. i better chill and make this my last post in this thread . |
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13-02-2011, 05:30 PM | #4 | |||
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my wife had less than 5 hours experience in the philippines, but had held her license for over 3 years. while she did get lessons (and she was more mature than a standard learner), she was on a full license with probably 20-30 hours experience of driving anywhere in the world and when you consider the driving standards in some countries, that is simply too big a risk. having driven overseas i understand why some immigrants drive too fast or too slow with nothing much in between. their roads and ours are so different yet our governments choose to blame speed and not their policies - i guess speedsters will not get the public sympathy when they complain of discrimination though |
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great post mate . on the other hand though , i want to be able to drive , in other countries if i go there , so it is a hard one . once you immigrate though , you should atleast be made to go to driving school , i dont know where that leaves tourists though . at the end of the day though we are all stuck with extra dangers on our roads from this . |
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13-02-2011, 07:51 PM | #6 | |||
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Typically where the limit was raised, all it did was legalise what was already happening there as the lower limits were not being policed or observed. What also happens in one of those cases, ie Utah, was that the legalisation of the higher limit meant that more people were travelling at closer to the same speed, as previously there were some adhering to the limit of 55mph and those doing excess of 70mph on the same road. As most of you have researched, the lower the speed differential between vehicles, the less chance of incident and in the state of Utah there was insignificant change in the accident rate due to this. I Hopefully most people will not see that as a justification for higher speeds, just "same" speeds. |
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13-02-2011, 07:56 PM | #7 | |||
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in that case, speed cameras are not for safety are they, because by raising the limit and even then putting a camera with a 10% tolerance to catch the hoons, the roads would be much safer but then there would be less revenue back in the mid 90's both my father and step mum got pinged by the same camera - both 15 kph over the limit and 15 minutes apart in peak hour traffic. going by the same speed theory, everyone on that road was being safe, yet they all got pinged - safety or revenue Last edited by gtxb67; 13-02-2011 at 08:04 PM. |
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yes, the roads are safer when the speed differential is low and the actual speed at which cars are travelling at is reduced. How low we make that limit is a compromise between safety, function and convenience. The present limits have been arrived at through a long process of trial and error (up to the 1970s) and beyond that by , research investigation and design. Despite the rumblings of many here, I dont think that the recommendations for the present limits were ever arrived at with making revenue for state governments in mind. There will be no doubt people who will continue to cite stats "proving" that increasing speed makes the roads safer and those quoting those stats will be shown to be "cherry picking" the data to suit their beliefs, and it could continue for ever, Ill say goodnight on this one. |
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This could go on forever and doubt we will never agree or persuade each other.
I think the fact is we would all like to go faster and be able to use more of our car's potential but economic, demographic and geographic circumstances unique to Australia make this a dream. We simply own too many cars per head, we are too spread out and we don't have the population that can support a car industry that can supply cheap cars. Therefore, we will tend to have cars with a older average age (generally less safe in terms of collision outcomes, braking distance, stability control etc.) and roads that are not (or are less) safe for very high speeds. The km of road per head make its uneconomical to built lots of km of road safe to drive at very high speed and we all cannot afford to buy several new cars every few years.
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Just want to clarify something, I don't think that speed limits should be increased, nor do I have a problem with them being policed and enforced, so long as that policing/enforcing is fair and in line with the risk increase that offenders pose.
How to do this, don't know. Just know that the current system of a single pronged speed kills message with a zero tolerance enforcement approach causes a divisiveness between even sensible conscientious motorists and the road safety front. Silly thing is I don't think anyone here is anti-safety. I'm going to risk trying an analogy here, although I've got a crap record of making them work so don't take it too literally. It's a bit like the medical profession and antibiotics. For years after the advent of cheap antibiotics, doctors prescribed them immediately for any simple ailment without bothering to get to the root cause of people's illness and seeing if it was really the best solution. Figured no real down side as side-effects minimal, and in most cases made people better. Problem was over-prescription started making the bacterial strains they were designed to fight stronger and some became super-bugs, immune to conventional anti-biotic treatment. Buy misusing and abusing an incredible medical breakthrough, they severely reduced its effectiveness and almost made it useless. I think governments are doing the same with speed cameras. It's an attractive and easy "cure-all" because it also brings in a bucket load of money when used with a zero tolerance mentality. They've started ignoring all the other cures because they require more work and effort, and as a result they are making Joe Public immune to the Road Safety message (which they have effectively made a purely "speed kills" message).
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i do not have a problem with any of the road rules we have - except maybe speed cameras should have a 10% tolerance with slightly less of them and i do not like red light/speed cameras together
however i do believe in telling both sides of the story and the government in its wisdom only seems to tell us the side they want us to hear. the fact is they are for revenue. if they were for safety, the proceeds would be put back into road safety but of course they are not. they are budgeted for in the general budget but as always we are told lie after lie |
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