Muscle: Is it Carburetted, or Fuel Injected?

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by flappist

Muscle car running on LPG, sort of like the hot Thai chick with a bulge in her pants.....something is just wrong about it.

As soon as a muscle car is converted to LPG you may as well fit a 6 speed auto and convert it to front wheel drive, it is not a muscle car anymore, it just looks like one......

LOL.

Polyal, do we want people to give good sound advice or just "anything goes" advice??

Now more than ever before keeping your car on the safe side of ADR compliance can mean the difference between having transport or walking.... and it wont get any better..

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

LOL.

Polyal, do we want people to give good sound advice or just "anything goes" advice??

Now more than ever before keeping your car on the safe side of ADR compliance can mean the difference between having transport or walking.... and it wont get any better..

Stop making sense, no room for that here.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by geckoGT

Stop making sense, no room for that here.

sorry.. i don't know what got into me...!!!

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Polyal, do we want people to give good sound advice or just "anything goes" advice??

Now more than ever before keeping your car on the safe side of ADR compliance can mean the difference between having transport or walking.... and it wont get any better..

Oh come on, because when you were on your P's you never once modified your car outside of what was legal? Its not like his dropping his pipes etc..its a bloody intake setup. Enough of the brown nosing please, we all know that you have some jihad for modifying cars. With your theory you are against everyone here with a tune?

My advice was do it if you want to, his car is already "illegal" (quick shoot him), keep the stock stuff laying about if he ever has an issue. Dont drive like a stooge and you wont get in any bother, be prepared to cop it when the situation arises.

We all know the game we play and if you modify a car without thinking of the consequences then thats the individuals problem. We are all capable of making a decision, you dont need a bunch of strangers on the internet to conclude your path.

Honestly, 90% of the cars on this site would be "illegal" in some way or form.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Oh come on, because when you were on your P's you never once modified your car outside of what was legal? Its not like his dropping his pipes etc..its a bloody intake setup. Enough of the brown nosing please, we all know that you have some jihad for modifying cars. With your theory you are against everyone here with a tune?

My advice was do it if you want to, his car is already "illegal" (quick shoot him), keep the stock stuff laying about if he ever has an issue. Dont drive like a stooge and you wont get in any bother, be prepared to cop it when the situation arises.

We all know the game we play and if you modify a car without thinking of the consequences then thats the individuals problem. We are all capable of making a decision, you dont need a bunch of strangers on the internet to conclude your path.

Honestly, 90% of the cars on this site would be "illegal" in some way or form.

So what is your personal experience and knowledge of the Traffic branch officers' attitudes and methodologies in Hervey Bay QLD? (the city in which both willo and I live and drive)

You know if this thread was about driving with a BAC of 0.06 which seems to be perfectly safe just about everywhere except Australia you would be going off like a pork chop about danger and getting caught....

And I am quite sure more than 90% of members have driven over the limit at least once...

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by flappist

So what is your personal experience and knowledge of the Traffic branch officers' attitudes and methodologies in Hervey Bay QLD? (the city in which both willo and I live and drive)

You know if this thread was about driving with a BAC of 0.06 which seems to be perfectly safe just about everywhere except Australia you would be going off like a pork chop about danger and getting caught....

And I am quite sure more than 90% of members have driven over the limit at least once...

Do you think I care? He asked about the intake on his car, if he wanted a lecture about the legalities he would have asked his Grandma.

Im not telling him what he should do, his a big boy now, can type and everything; his able to make his own decision.

Dont even bring that tangent into it, modding an intake of a car VS flaunting a law that is far more serious and can potentially land the kid in jail...come on. The only thing the webbers will do is upset some hippies.

/care in this thread, lighten up guys, he asked a really simple question.

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by Polyal

we all know that you have some jihad for modifying cars.

.. I enjoyed that bit.

As for the original Post im a big fan of Retro Fitting new into Old so a FG 4.0L I6 would be my pick.

[T3man]

Originally Posted by flappist

Muscle car running on LPG, sort of like the hot Thai chick with a bulge in her pants.....something is just wrong about it.

As soon as a muscle car is converted to LPG you may as well fit a 6 speed auto and convert it to front wheel drive, it is not a muscle car anymore, it just looks like one......

Well it currently has a 250 so it ain't no muscle car by any stretch. My 351C on straight LPG can embarass many a so-called muscle car. WTF has the type of fuel got to do with it?

As for autos ... many had 3 speed autos back in the day - did that make them less of a muscle car? A 6 speed has to be a great idea in an old muscle car I'd reckon. I might put one in the P6 one day.

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by T3man

As for autos ... many had 3 speed autos back in the day - did that make them less of a muscle car?

My old 66' Pillarless Impala Hardtop had a 396ci backed by a 2 speed auto, plenty of muscle....

[flappist]

Originally Posted by T3man

Well it currently has a 250 so it ain't no muscle car by any stretch. My 351C on straight LPG can embarass many a so-called muscle car. WTF has the type of fuel got to do with it?

As for autos ... many had 3 speed autos back in the day - did that make them less of a muscle car? A 6 speed has to be a great idea in an old muscle car I'd reckon. I might put one in the P6 one day.

Well it is strange how a XR GT is a muscle car but a R32 skyline isn't.
I am fairly confident that there are a number of FWD 4cylinders that can embarrass your 351C, does that make them muscle cars?

"Muscle car" is about the technology of the "muscle car era" during which LPG fuel injection was not available on falcons.

Does ripping the V8 out of a phase 3 GTHO and fitting a twin turbo V6 out of a Nissan GTR make go better? Of course it does.

Is it still a muscle car? About as much of a muscle car as a LPG conversion.

But all this is moot anyway, Willo is a red P plater so it just can't legally be done....

[xy500]

Originally Posted by flappist

Well it is strange how a XR GT is a muscle car but a R32 skyline isn't.
I am fairly confident that there are a number of FWD 4cylinders that can embarrass your 351C, does that make them muscle cars?

"Muscle car" is about the technology of the "muscle car era" during which LPG fuel injection was not available on falcons.

Does ripping the V8 out of a phase 3 GTHO and fitting a twin turbo V6 out of a Nissan GTR make go better? Of course it does.

Is it still a muscle car? About as much of a muscle car as a LPG conversion.

But all this is moot anyway, Willo is a red P plater so it just can't legally be done....

have you had enough trolling yet?
I don't know how you even found this thread flappist.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by xy500

have you had enough trolling yet?
I don't know how you even found this thread flappist.

What you don't know something?

How unusual.......

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by flappist

Well it is strange how a XR GT is a muscle car but a R32 skyline isn't.

No. A muscle car by it's very nature is a car that has lots of power butt doesn't turn corners.

An R32 actually does.

[T3man]

Or you can have them not hooked up and still meet the emission levels and everything's sweet.

[hendoau99]

i'll go straight to the point, muscle car IMHO has to be carburettored. no ifs or buts. unless its a daily, then EFI is more reliable, economical etc...

[Streets]

Good ol ADR27a. Can someone explain to me how engines that have less power and burn more fuel to do the same amount of work as an unrestricted engine are supposed to reduce emissions? A round of applause please for the government.

[montyv8]

this thread makes me lol. EFI isn't muscle! LPG can't be on muscle cars!

Glad I didn't ask for opinions on here before i built my car



Wait! is that?! EFI and a turbo?! omfg.

[montyv8]

I forgot to add:

"four door cars can't be muscle cars?!"

[Streets]

I once got told that my 351 XD was not a muscle car because it wasn't old enough.

[4Vman]

Well technically to be classed as a "musclecar" it should atleast have been produced during the "musclecar era"..... (widely acepted as approx 1967-1976)..
Atleast use the "steel bumper" rule...

I wont even dare open the "what's a Factory musclecar" can of worms.... LOL

[T3man]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

I wont even dare open the "what's a Factory musclecar" can of worms.... LOL

HAHAHA ... Chicken!

I will; here we go ...

Muscle car is a term used to refer to a variety of high performance automobiles.[1] The Merriam-Webster definition is more limiting, "any of a group of American-made 2-door sports coupes with powerful engines designed for high-performance driving."[2] The term generally refers to 2-door rear wheel drive mid-size cars, and sometimes full-size cars equipped with large, powerful, V8s, and sold at an affordable price for street use and both formal and informal drag racing.[3][4][5][6] As such, they are distinct from two-seat sports cars and expensive 2+2 GTs intended for high-speed touring and road racing.

Building on the American phenomenon and developing simultaneously in their own markets, muscle cars also emerged in their own fashions in Australia, South Africa, the UK, and elsewhere.

From Wiki of course

Edit; PS. There is some interesting reading in here including the world muscle car registry

http://musclecarclub.com/musclecars/...finition.shtml

[302 XC]

1978 XCs have steel bumpers
Doesnt the 1983 VH crumpledore have steel bumpers ???
Therell always be different termanologies regarding whats "Muscle" or not

At the end of the day willo,
Youll spend a motsa on triple webers (probably cost more than a 351 clevo)

So ya mite as well sit it out save ya money and go the clevo
All legal,minimal hassles
And best of all ,the V8 rumble

[T3man]

No, ADR 27a was not the first of the "pollution" rules. But certainly it was the first to have a massive impact on engine behaviour/performance.

And 40 is not odd.

[hendoau99]

im gunna say it ****** ADR27a. at the end of the day if you get pinged, you just go and rectify the problem. but there are loads of other crimes the police have on their minds.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by hendoau99

im gunna say it ****** ADR27a. at the end of the day if you get pinged, you just go and rectify the problem. but there are loads of other crimes the police have on their minds.

What if rectifying the problem costs you thousands in reversing modifications?

Unfortunately for the op he has 4 things against him; 1) he lives in a small town community where he will be well known and a small police force that know most people in town, 2) he has a very noticeable vehicle with obvious modifications so he cant blend in, 3) he's a P Plater and 4) if he mods the engine to defect 27a he'll get pinged hard....

No good giving cavalier advice if all it does is causes him grief.

Normally what follows this kind of thing if poor advice is followed is a thread about how the police are "picking" on him....

[Silver Ghia]

Opening Post

Originally Posted by XCwillo

What are your thoughts people.
Early muscle cars, are they meant to be kept carburetted to have the spine shivering idle note and general sound that just cant be reproduced nowadays by computer managed fuel injection.
Or is there no difference in a Fuel Injected engine swap, saying that Muscle looks muscle is.

Thought came to me because I've been offered to have my 250 Crossflow worked with tripple webbers and the lot, or swap it for a FG XR6 engine.

IMO it would be a bit dissapointing to see a fuel injected engine in a classic. There's just something about carby fed engines that give them their own personality, and they look like a work of art if done right.

My thoughts is the correct answer is right there in the last two sentences above.

Love Flappys quote though:

Originally Posted by flappist

Muscle car running on LPG, sort of like the hot Thai chick with a bulge in her pants.....something is just wrong about it.

[hendoau99]

4vman, i live in a smalll community and i too am a red p plater, i had a bit of a brain fart lol and realised i didnt really help the situation. xcwillo, keep your car as it is for now and when you get your blacks then modify the hell out of it. thsts what i'm gunna do anyway. but if you'd like better fuel economy and a bit more reliability then yeah put the xr6 engine in it.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by hendoau99

4vman, i live in a smalll community and i too am a red p plater, i had a bit of a brain fart lol and realised i didnt really help the situation. xcwillo, keep your car as it is for now and when you get your blacks then modify the hell out of it. thsts what i'm gunna do anyway. but if you'd like better fuel economy and a bit more reliability then yeah put the xr6 engine in it.

I think you've just countered your own arguement! LOL

[hendoau99]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

I think you've just countered your own arguement! LOL

LOL! i guess i did!

[SSD-85]

To answer willos question IMOO, Muscles are carbied, simple. As for ADR27a, well, erm, im not going to condone making your car "defective". As much a joke as it is...