Advice needed about job issue

NC_Steve · 18-12-2006, 12:14 AM

Hoping someone might be able so give me some advice as what to do. I got a job last Friday (8th) and I did a days work with another person who was training me how to do the job. I did the days work and decided that the pay ($28) wasnt worth the amount of hard labor involved and I told that to my employer who then said that I won't be getting paid for the days work that I did because I was being trained and I needed to do a whole week to be paid. Is that true? And can he not pay me? I told him that I did a days work and I should get a days pay and he said fair enough and to email him my bank details and he will deposit the money on Thurday. Well he didnt and is just leading me on and wasting my time by telling me details I sent him were incorrect when they were correct and then he said there will be a $5 admin fee when he previously didnt mention this before. I told him that he didnt mention that there would be a $5 fee and he replyed with "You didnt mention you would only be working for one day".

What should I do or say to get him to pay me? Any help would be much appreciated.

b2tf · 18-12-2006, 12:19 AM

So hang on, you worked for a day, didnt like the pay so you left the job? That right. Just trying to work it out for myself as your post is a bit confusing.

If Ive got it right, I wouldnt bother. Its $28, just walk away. I'm owed a lot of money from 2 previous employers but I know I won't see a cent of it, it's just not worth it.

gtfpv · 18-12-2006, 12:23 AM

guess you could always vote LABOUR . next election.

GCFordChic · 18-12-2006, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by gtfpv

guess you could always vote LABOUR . next election.

Ohh please... the employer is crappy, it is not the system or anything to do with a political party in this situation.

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The employer is probably annoyed he spent the time to hire and train you (which would have meant the other employee training you would not have been working to their capacity) and you decide after this that you dont like the pay and dont want to continue. Dont get me wrong, I understand where you are coming from, but it is probably a bigger pain for him and would have been a bigger loss $$ wise to him than the $28 is to you.

pauljh74 · 18-12-2006, 12:45 AM

Considering he was doing hard labour, how much training is involved? Not much I'd say. If you worked a whole day, you should be paid for a whole day. Sounds like rubbish you'd have to work for a week to get paid. The training "pay rate" sounds like a way to scam new employees.

At one of my jobs, I make a few bucks less per hour - the job? Dockhand for a road transport company - unskilled job that involves lifting. We don't pay new workers a training rate either.

xdc351 · 18-12-2006, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by GCFordChic

Ohh please... the employer is crappy, it is not the system or anything to do with a political party in this situation.

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The employer is probably annoyed he spent the time to hire and train you (which would have meant the other employee training you would not have been working to their capacity) and you decide after this that you dont like the pay and dont want to continue. Dont get me wrong, I understand where you are coming from, but it is probably a bigger pain for him and would have been a bigger loss $$ wise to him than the $28 is to you.

Was about to say the same thing. I've started a few jobs and left after one day and never asked for a cent. Too much hassle for next to zero reward.

What are you going to buy anyway? A case of light beer?

18-12-2006, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by gtfpv

guess you could always vote LABOUR . next election.

You gonna do a donkey next election? Try LABOR.

GreenMachine · 18-12-2006, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackLS

You gonna do a donkey next election? Try LABOR.

If you want to "do" a donkey (or any form of livestock), vote National Party!

flappist · 18-12-2006, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by gtfpv

guess you could always vote LABOUR . next election.

Yeh but it will do no good. You are better off voting LABOR because they have an actual political party.

I heard a rumour that one of their policies will be the promotion of tertiary education in the field of quantam physics. It seems they are fascinated by black holes and their effect on thriving economies in the OECD.

Now with regard to the original issue. Work choices has nothing to do with that. You were offered a job, you quit after one day. You wasted both your and your employer's time. He is probably annoyed at you for wasting the trainers time as you are at him for not paying you.
Yes he probably owes you money for your time and if it were me employing you then you would be paid but I am in QLD do not know the law in VIC.
If the total amount is only $28, you would be better off just walking away because you will spend and lot of time fighting and in the end even if you win all you will get is less than the price of a slab.
Unfair, yes, unjust, again yes......welcome to the real world...

"Life is hard and then you die"

gtfpv · 18-12-2006, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Yeh but it will do no good. You are better off voting LABOR because they have an actual political party.

I heard a rumour that one of their policies will be the promotion of tertiary education in the field of quantam physics. It seems they are fascinated by black holes and their effect on thriving economies in the OECD.

Now with regard to the original issue. Work choices has nothing to do with that. You were offered a job, you quit after one day. You wasted both your and your employer's time. He is probably annoyed at you for wasting the trainers time as you are at him for not paying you.
Yes he probably owes you money for your time and if it were me employing you then you would be paid but I am in QLD do not know the law in VIC.
If the total amount is only $28, you would be better off just walking away because you will spend and lot of time fighting and in the end even if you win all you will get is less than the price of a slab.
Unfair, yes, unjust, again yes......welcome to the real world...

"Life is hard and then you die"

apparantely "FLAPPIST" one of their first priorities if elected are to bring in a new hair do . thats more than beasley came up with in a decade of politics. hahaha.

**Full Noise** · 18-12-2006, 12:23 AM

Let it go. Put it down to experience and move on.

nugget378 · 18-12-2006, 01:11 AM

Not the point if its worth it or not,he owes you and you make him pay.
$28 for a days pay? christ that slave wages,if it was me Id drag him down to the blood bank,sell some of his blood and pocket the money.
but thats just me.

Racecraft · 18-12-2006, 08:21 AM

$28 for a days work? what were you doing delivering junk mail?

KaptnKaos · 18-12-2006, 09:33 AM

This is illegal in Victoria. He MUST pay you according to the award or workplace agreement applicable to that job.
$28 would be 1 or 2 hours pay at most. I don't know of any award that says you don't get paid till you've worked a full week. Also the $5 "admin fee" is illegal. He cannot charge you to deposit your pay. If he is copping a bank fee or whatever that is his problem, not yours.
I would contact Wageline immediately and let them sort it out for you.

GreenMachine · 18-12-2006, 09:54 AM

Yeah, what Kaptn said... Minimum wage is $12.75 an hour, get on to Wageline.

For $28, you could walk away and save the hassle, but I'd do it on principle.

4.9 EF Futura · 18-12-2006, 10:06 AM

A day's work deserves a day's pay IMO. I wouldnt bother spending too much time to chase down $28 but in the principle of the matter i'd be following it up.

Was the employment legit? i.e. you provided your tax file number, were paid super etc etc

atec77 · 18-12-2006, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by NC_Steve

Hoping someone might be able so give me some advice as what to do. I got a job last Friday (8th) and I did a days work with another person who was training me how to do the job. I did the days work and decided that the pay ($28) wasnt worth the amount of hard labor involved and I told that to my employer who then said that I won't be getting paid for the days work that I did because I was being trained and I needed to do a whole week to be paid. Is that true? And can he not pay me? I told him that I did a days work and I should get a days pay and he said fair enough and to email him my bank details and he will deposit the money on Thurday. Well he didnt and is just leading me on and wasting my time by telling me details I sent him were incorrect when they were correct and then he said there will be a $5 admin fee when he previously didnt mention this before. I told him that he didnt mention that there would be a $5 fee and he replyed with "You didnt mention you would only be working for one day".

What should I do or say to get him to pay me? Any help would be much appreciated.

You have a number of options , the best is walk away , now the $28,00 is for a day or an hour ?
one of them would be acceptable but 28 for a day ?
what aren't you telling us ?

NC_Steve · 18-12-2006, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by atec77

You have a number of options , the best is walk away , now the $28,00 is for a day or an hour ?
one of them would be acceptable but 28 for a day ?
what aren't you telling us ?

I worked for a cleaning company. The $28 is half of what I would usually be paid as I was being trained on the first day and there was the person training me (the guy I was working for) that got the other $28 as he was doing some of the work. There was no hourly wage with the job. I was just to be paid $56 once the job was done. Im not really worried about the $28. Its pocket change really. It's just the principal of the thing. I did a days work and I should be paid the agreed amount $28 for the days work. Companys don't forget about money that is owed to them so I don't see why I should. Thanks to everyone who has commented in this thread. Ill send him a few more emails and see what happens.

4Vman · 18-12-2006, 10:40 AM

Did you establish the $ pay rate before starting work? Like others have said it sounds like you've only worked 2 hours.. or you've accepted a job on $3.70 an hr which is an illegal pay rate anyway.....

ba c2r · 18-12-2006, 10:46 AM

its the principal we all work hard for our money the government changing workplace laws maybe that has something to do with it, I wouldnt work for that its awful how would you even live on that crappy wage with everything going up maybe you would get more on the dole no wonder people dont wanna work if they kicked in the guts good onya howard my hubby is on $26 hr so we are lucky thats for casual ,now he has been in his job 3 months his pay will drop $5 an hr when he goes on fulltime so is it worth going on fulltime or not the government are to blame I think

4Vman · 18-12-2006, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ba c2r

its the principal we all work hard for our money the government changing workplace laws maybe that has something to do with it, I wouldnt work for that its awful how would you even live on that crappy wage with everything going up maybe you would get more on the dole no wonder people dont wanna work if they kicked in the guts good onya howard my hubby is on $26 hr so we are lucky thats for casual ,now he has been in his job 3 months his pay will drop $5 an hr when he goes on fulltime so is it worth going on fulltime or not the government are to blame I think

This has nothing to do with the new workplace laws, if he's being paid $28 per day its an illegal rate anyway as its below the minimum legal wage rate.
If he knew the pay was only $28 per day he could have said no to the job.
Casual wages have allways been higher than full time employment rates to compensate for the "casual" nature of the work. 3 month on casual wages to prove your ability then onto full time wages at a slightly lower rate has been going on for decades.... its perfectly legal, and reasonable IMO, and its got NOTHING to do with the Govt.

XRchic · 18-12-2006, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ba c2r

its the principal we all work hard for our money the government changing workplace laws maybe that has something to do with it, I wouldnt work for that its awful how would you even live on that crappy wage with everything going up maybe you would get more on the dole no wonder people dont wanna work if they kicked in the guts good onya howard my hubby is on $26 hr so we are lucky thats for casual ,now he has been in his job 3 months his pay will drop $5 an hr when he goes on fulltime so is it worth going on fulltime or not the government are to blame I think

Riiigghhht... intelligent comment... even after deciphering it through the lack of punctuation...

Dont get me started about people who make bad choices in their lives and who then blame to government for their problems.

**GasoLane** · 18-12-2006, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ba c2r

good onya howard my hubby is on $26 hr so we are lucky thats for casual ,now he has been in his job 3 months his pay will drop $5 an hr when he goes on fulltime so is it worth going on fulltime or not the government are to blame I think

This has nothing to do with Jackboot Johny. If he was a casual employee the extra $5 is because he did'nt get Public holiday, annual leave or sick pay. I assume he's now a full time employee he gets all the above benefits.

And dont complain about the (now) $21per hour. That still works out to about $800 for a 38hr week!!

GCFordChic · 18-12-2006, 10:46 AM

Hang on, is it $28/hr? Then you would be owed around $200...

(NC Steve, I also sent a PM with some more practical advice.)

bob 351 · 18-12-2006, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GCFordChic

Hang on, is it $28/hr? Then you would be owed around $200...

(NC Steve, I also sent a PM with some more practical advice.)

ye i was wondering about that if it 28 hr that is good moneey in anybodys laungage wish i could get a job that paid that would not care how hard the work was within reason of course

Laminge · 18-12-2006, 11:17 AM

Ohh

Im looking to give someone a special Christmas present from this thread if not careful

gtfpv · 18-12-2006, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Laminge

Ohh

Im looking to give someone a special Christmas present from this thread if not careful

MERRY CRISTMAS Laminge.

Dave_au · 18-12-2006, 11:55 AM

You guys really go off on a tangent sometimes.....

**GasoLane** · 18-12-2006, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave_au

You guys really go off on a tangent sometimes.....

Really? whats hourly rate for tangents these days

KaptnKaos · 18-12-2006, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave_au

You guys really go off on a tangent sometimes.....

A tangent? They're made by Kia. Right?

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