Toyota keeping quiet

[Tonz]

With all the flack about govmint subsidising car manufacturing and saving Holdens butt why are Toyota keeping their mouths shut. They get assistance as well.

[Maka]

Maybe because their business case is actually successful?

cheers, Maka

[GQ_Smooth]

They are more than likely doing their talking behind closed doors (where it belongs) and not trying to garnish public support (which eventually will turn on them).

[mik]

I think Toyota doesn't like to air their dirty laundry in public, they like to diligently solve their problems quietly without losing face.

[eb2fairmont]

Originally Posted by mik

I think Toyota doesn't like to air their dirty laundry in public, they like to diligently solve their problems quietly without losing face.

^^ This. Its is a japanese company after all, do not like to loose face, nor do things that will impact negatively on public perception.

Contrast this to Holden, I think they have overplayed their hand and people are not listening anymore. Result is that perception on Holden is turning.

[Bossxr8]

Quite simply they have a little bit of corporate ethics, unlike GM who are just grubs who will just threaten and bully their way to government cash.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Quite simply they have a little bit of corporate ethics, unlike GM who are just grubs who will just threaten and bully their way to government cash.

Quite simply GMH is no different to the other grubs.

[wrongwaynorris]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Quite simply they have a little bit of corporate ethics, unlike GM who are just grubs who will just threaten and bully their way to government cash.

You are joking aren't you . This is the company who KNOWINGLY murdered their customers by refusing to recall cars they knew were killing their owners .

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by wrongwaynorris

You are joking aren't you . This is the company who KNOWINGLY murdered their customers by refusing to recall cars they knew were killing their owners .

Thats Accountants for you.

(Offense intended to any Accountants here).

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Thats Accountants for you.

(Offense intended to any Accountants here).

Accountants crunch numbers. They provide information to inform decisions, not make them.

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Thats Accountants for you.

(Offense intended to any Accountants here).

If you think an Accountant had anything to do with that, then you have NO IDEA what accountants do in large corporate companies!! NO IDEA!!

[kiwiinaus]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

If you think an Accountant had anything to do with that, then you have NO IDEA what accountants do in large corporate companies!! NO IDEA!!

some of those accountants have no idea either going by some of the decisions that eminate from their offices

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

If you think an Accountant had anything to do with that, then you have NO IDEA what accountants do in large corporate companies!! NO IDEA!!

Except they have a big influence on everything a company does, usually the accountant suggests something and hearing their grand spiel on how it will all work perfectly the man in charge jumps at it.

For example:

Re-using wiring from an old ambulance to save money.

Not counting in for the fact that its the old system which none of our staff are familiar with, and having to pull it out, put it in another new car and figure it all out to get it working, costs more in labour than just purchasing a new wiring loom and chucking it in.

"But its cheaper because we don't have to buy a wiring loom!"

Or buy $6000 worth of wire because its $200 cheaper than modifying a pre made loom to suit, and then not accounting for labour cost to actually make the loom from scratch.

Accountants are like Mechanics, theres a lot of them out there, but good ones are rare.

In theory and on paper their grand scheme sounds fantastic but I find in our organisation that most of the time they don't "account" for the little things.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by wrongwaynorris

You are joking aren't you . This is the company who KNOWINGLY murdered their customers by refusing to recall cars they knew were killing their owners .

Errr...Ford USA did the same thing a few years back with tyres as have GM. with fuel tank placements i think from memory?

It's all about the incident risk versus mass recall costs.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by wrongwaynorris

You are joking aren't you . This is the company who KNOWINGLY murdered their customers by refusing to recall cars they knew were killing their owners .

[neptune blue]

I dont know what they are like when it comes to dealing with the government but I was once in a role as an OEM supplier to Toyota and Holden
Toyota were more like smiling assassins (shaking your right hand and stabbing you in the back at the same time with their left hand) where as with Holden at least you knew we're you stood

Im going back 10 years , maybe things are different now?

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by neptune blue

I dont know what they are like when it comes to dealing with the government but I was once in a role as an OEM supplier to Toyota and Holden
Toyota were more like smiling assassins (shaking your right hand and stabbing you in the back at the same time with their left hand) where as with Holden at least you knew we're you stood

Im going back 10 years , maybe things are different now?

All manufacturers screw the hell out of suppliers. It's one of the only reasons cars are selling for the same or similar prices to what they were 10 years ago. I'd hate to be a supplier.

[pursuit2359]

I think it's difference in corporate culture. In the USA, companies often try to manipulate politicians through public posturing. In Holden's case, the strategy may have some validity since Holden is widely seen as Australian even though it's a foreign-owned subsidiary, just like Toyota.

[302 XC]

Does it have anything to do with a company that knows how to make cars that sell to the masses ...Toyota have had their finger on the pulse for decades, top sellers year after year,decade after decade,call a spade a spade but there is no denying Toyota sell cars,maybe holden should look into WHY,rather than bang on about saving an aily misdirected company ...

[Joe5619]

I don’t see Holden making allot noise. It is the Media, feed by the SA government making the noise!!

[GQ_Smooth]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

I don’t see Holden making allot noise. It is the Media, feed by the SA government making the noise!!

Well said, I believe you are correct. Whether you agree with what they are doing or not, they have been more open to the Media than Ford have in the past, so the media are the ones making the headlines along with SA Government wanting to make sure they are doing all they can to keep the industry viable.

[Tonz]

Originally Posted by GQ_Smooth

Well said, I believe you are correct. Whether you agree with what they are doing or not, making the headlines SA Government wanting to make sure they are doing all they can to keep the industry viable.

edited.
SA Govmint trying to save their own asses pretending they want to save others

[na_pwr]

[XWGT]

One question I find interesting in all of this.....Toyota claims that they lose $2,500 on every Camry they sell.

Now under the Fair Trading Act, is that not termed "loss leading activities" and expressly forbidden and carries and enormous fine and corporate prosecution?

Why is it ok for Toyota to publicly say they are selling at a loss but no other industry can do that? Telstra or Optus would be before the ACCC in minutes if it started selling below cost price.

[bobthebilda]

Originally Posted by XWGT

One question I find interesting in all of this.....Toyota claims that they lose $2,500 on every Camry they sell.

Now under the Fair Trading Act, is that not termed "loss leading activities" and expressly forbidden and carries and enormous fine and corporate prosecution?

Why is it ok for Toyota to publicly say they are selling at a loss but no other industry can do that? Telstra or Optus would be before the ACCC in minutes if it started selling below cost price.

They export 70% of the cars made in Victoria, so I think its referring to the export cars. I think I saw once that the camry that comes of the line in Melbourne, sells for the equivalent of around $23,000 (Australian dollars) in the middle east, and a Victorian can pick them up for about $29,000. Some people think it logical for Australians to provide subsidies to a foreign company, so they can sell the car overseas for a cheaper price than they do here.

[DRU842]

Originally Posted by XWGT

One question I find interesting in all of this.....Toyota claims that they lose $2,500 on every Camry they sell.

Now under the Fair Trading Act, is that not termed "loss leading activities" and expressly forbidden and carries and enormous fine and corporate prosecution?

Why is it ok for Toyota to publicly say they are selling at a loss but no other industry can do that? Telstra or Optus would be before the ACCC in minutes if it started selling below cost price.

The bigger issue here is the 'loss' means no tax is paid.

[Dave R]

There were a lot more moving parts with the Toyota fiasco than many people appreciate. It wasn't just an issue of cost. Toyota have plenty of money.

Back on topic, Toyota make a healthy profit from their operations here (all they do is assemble and export) so they really don't need to make a lot of public noise. Holden has decided to make it a public issue, that's their right and given the circumstances they are facing at the moment, I don't think it's entirely a bad idea. Ford went down quietly, it seems like Holden won't go down without yelling first.

[MITCHAY]

No one ever complains about a car manufacturer who isn't making very public ultimatums for tax payer money. They can't because it doesn't make the news: