April VFACTs - Ford's numbers

Mad_Pom · 03-05-2012, 10:02 AM

Fiesta 818
Focus 1105
Mondeo 307
Falcon 1009
Escape 76
Kuga 69
Territory 1076
Transit bus 30
Transit van 89
Falcon Ute 468
Ranger 4x2 323
Ranger 4x4 909

imugli · 03-05-2012, 10:23 AM

From this thread

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?p=4153870

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My money is on Focus and Ranger both selling in higher numbers than Falcon and Territory this year.

Happening sooner than I thought, though...

Chilliman · 03-05-2012, 10:29 AM

Mondeo numbers look pathetic - I thought it would do alot better?

Mad_Pom · 03-05-2012, 10:39 AM

Focus is volume limited out of Europe - this is reported to be fixed when it starts supply from Thailand later this year.
Ranger is struggling to recover from the Thailand floods, but this again is reported to be fixed later this year.

Then add the new Kuga and New Mondeo, whenever they are released and it would appear the writing is on the wall for Falcon and Territory, but only because the imported products are just so good.

Falcon and Territory still offer great value, but if you want the new technology and "European Styling", then it seems imports are leading the way.

Will be interesting to see where the remainder of the year takes us !!

**Sorted** · 03-05-2012, 11:07 AM

Thank You

for the FACTS

This is the info I want to read not 100 pages of chatter and random facts hidden in the thread

turbodewd · 03-05-2012, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mad_Pom

Then add the new Kuga and New Mondeo, whenever they are released and it would appear the writing is on the wall for Falcon and Territory, but only because the imported products are just so good.

Falcon and Territory still offer great value, but if you want the new technology and "European Styling", then it seems imports are leading the way.

!!

I dont follow the logic there...Falcon and Terri are Ford's best sellers. If u dont need to drop them...why would you???

Smoke Pursuit · 03-05-2012, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by turbodewd

I dont follow the logic there...Falcon and Terri are Ford's best sellers. If u dont need to drop them...why would you???

Because it costs money to keep continuing with them. Falcon and Territory need to be made Euro 5 by 2015.... Theres talk it will take 100 million to do this and bring another falcon body shape out, sales forecasts wont warrant this.

imugli · 03-05-2012, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by turbodewd

I dont follow the logic there...Falcon and Terri are Ford's best sellers. If u dont need to drop them...why would you???

I don't follow the logic...

Falcon and Terri are clearly NOT Ford's best sellers any more. Fiesta is within ~200 of Falcon, Focus sells more, as does Ranger.

With increased availability of Ranger and Focus stock as Thai production comes on line, I for one don't see that changing in a hurry...

Wretched · 03-05-2012, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by turbodewd

I dont follow the logic there...Falcon and Terri are Ford's best sellers. If u dont need to drop them...why would you???

2nd and 3rd best sellers if you don't combine ranger sales (they'd be 3rd and 4th).
The cost of build cars (design, engineering, etc) costs money, a lot of it. It has to come from somewhere and if the sales aren't covering the costs of the R&D then really what is the point? These are not specialty cars they are bread and butter.

turbodewd · 03-05-2012, 11:55 AM

DASH GT,

fair point. So they may need to drop the Geelong petrol I6 and import the EcoBoost 3.5L for the Falcon.

I can stomach that.

Smoke Pursuit · 03-05-2012, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by turbodewd

DASH GT,

fair point. So they may need to drop the Geelong petrol I6 and import the EcoBoost 3.5L for the Falcon.

I can stomach that.

That in itself costs money too.... but still Falcon and Territory dont fit in the 1 Ford regime....

Nikked · 03-05-2012, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

That in itself costs money too.... but still Falcon and Territory dont fit in the 1 Ford regime....

You have massively misunderstood "one ford"

mik · 03-05-2012, 12:24 PM

bugger me some of you guys think rome was built in a day, it was`nt long ago the 4 cylinder was released falcon was released, the terri`s picking up steam with the diesel, the FG upgrade happened not long ago, talk about a pack of defeatist.
edit: if anything is not viable it would seem it`s the mondeo.

Mad_Pom · 03-05-2012, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mik

bugger me some of you guys think rome was built in a day, it was`nt long ago the 4 cylinder was released falcon was released, the terri`s picking up steam with the diesel, the FG upgrade happened not long ago, talk about a pack of defeatist.
edit: if anything is not viable it would seem it`s the mondeo.

mik, again I will let the facts do the talking and try and remove emotion and opinion.

SZ Terrirtory was launched in June 2011, but after averaging about 1500 is now in decline

May 2011 -- 480
Jun 2011 -- 1634
Jul 2011 -- 1445
Aug 2011 -- 1625
Sep 2011 -- 1395
Oct 2011 -- 1230
Nov 2011 -- 1776
Dec 2011 -- 1349
Jan 2012 -- 804
Feb 2012 -- 1400
Mar 2012 -- 1335
Apr 2012 -- 1076

FG II was launched in November I think. There has been no increase in volume based on FGII so far - LPI has shown no benefit. Fingers crossed on EcoBoost, but volumes are only going in 1 direction.
Jun 2011 -- 1847
Jul 2011 -- 1835
Aug 2011 -- 1665
Sep 2011 -- 1708
Oct 2011 -- 1591
Nov 2011 -- 1483
Dec 2011 -- 1376
Jan 2012 -- 931
Feb 2012 -- 1192
Mar 2012 -- 1275
Apr 2012 -- 1009

turbodewd · 03-05-2012, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mik

bugger me some of you guys think rome was built in a day, it was`nt long ago the 4 cylinder was released falcon was released, the terri`s picking up steam with the diesel, the FG upgrade happened not long ago, talk about a pack of defeatist.
edit: if anything is not viable it would seem it`s the mondeo.

Agreed. Now that u can get the very respectable EcoBoost 4cyl Falcon you'd be a mug to get the Mondeo.

Is the Mondeo indicator on the Australian side/right?

Mad_Pom · 03-05-2012, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by turbodewd

Agreed. Now that u can get the very respectable EcoBoost 4cyl Falcon you'd be a mug to get the Mondeo.

Is the Mondeo indicator on the Australian side/right?

Unless you wanted :-
5 door hatch or wagon - partical usage
Better styling - in my opinion
Dual clutch Auto - better economy
Diesel with dual clutch - even better economy
Global Open / Global close windows, with one shot up & down
Keyless entry / keyless start
Adaptive Cruise Control
Lane Departure Warning
Blindspot indication

and that is the current model - just wait for the new model and then compare.

As stated FGII Falcon is good value, it is an older technology platform and therefore it depends what is important to the customer and they will choose.

mik · 03-05-2012, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mad_Pom

Unless you wanted :-
5 door hatch or wagon - partical usage
Better styling - in my opinion
Dual clutch Auto - better economy
Diesel with dual clutch - even better economy
Global Open / Global close windows, with one shot up & down
Keyless entry / keyless start
Adaptive Cruise Control
Lane Departure Warning
Blindspot indication

and that is the current model - just wait for the new model and then compare.

As stated FGII Falcon is good value, it is an older technology platform and therefore it depends what is important to the customer and they will choose.

there are some good features there no doubt about it, dual clutch for me there is a reliability question ,plenty of threads on this, give me a standard tranny please.
diesel for short trips in the city as a daily, there where some question marks about suitability.
towing capacity for the mondy?
styling is an individual thing , if we are making it emotionless it does`nt count,
i`d have the falcon anyway, it`s a good daily and servicing is straight forward, driveline is bullet proof and the correct wheels drive the car ;).

TheSneakiness · 03-05-2012, 12:38 PM

For Ford to stay relevant in this country the contribution margin of the product must be the best they can get.

Obviously not many people are buying Falcon and Territory and either buying a Ford import or going elsewhere. Guess what will get the cut first?

csv8 · 03-05-2012, 01:33 PM

The Mondeo Titanium spec is higher than G4E..for same money...G4E is not value for money asked....

BP'93 · 03-05-2012, 03:06 PM

Holden, Toyota, Volkswagen Figures?

Mad_Pom · 03-05-2012, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BP'93

Holden, Toyota, Volkswagen Figures?

http://www.fcai.com.au/sales

Mr Hardware · 03-05-2012, 03:55 PM

So wait on, Ford axe the Fairlane due to only selling 100-200 a month, but continue to pump the kuga and escape which sell less combined than the Fairlane and LTD did, even in their bad years?????

Mad_Pom · 03-05-2012, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Hardware

So wait on, Ford axe the Fairlane due to only selling 100-200 a month, but continue to pump the kuga and escape which sell less combined than the Fairlane and LTD did, even in their bad years?????

Kuga is volume limited out of Europe, same as Escape is. Once the new model comes online I believe volume frees up.

Remember that although Australia on sells 60 per month ,the manufacturing plant builds more than combined Falcon and Territory, so the manufacturing site is viable and the investment in tooling can be recovered. Fairlane and LTD were ONLY sold to Australia and New Zealand at extremely low volumes, hence the investment in tooling was non-viable.

csv8 · 03-05-2012, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mad_Pom

Kuga is volume limited out of Europe, same as Escape is. Once the new model comes online I believe volume frees up.

Remember that although Australia on sells 60 per month ,the manufacturing plant builds more than combined Falcon and Territory, so the manufacturing site is viable and the investment in tooling can be recovered. Fairlane and LTD were ONLY sold to Australia and New Zealand at extremely low volumes, hence the investment in tooling was non-viable.

and Holden still sells the Caprice!!!!!!!

Nikked · 03-05-2012, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Hardware

So wait on, Ford axe the Fairlane due to only selling 100-200 a month, but continue to pump the kuga and escape which sell less combined than the Fairlane and LTD did, even in their bad years?????

They arn't made in Australia, thats why...

Spammy · 03-05-2012, 04:54 PM

Nobody can justify building a mass market car that only sells 1000 per month (and probably falling) in only one market. When, in turn that market barely registers on a world scale. The Iranian new car market is bigger than the Aussie market.

Nikked · 03-05-2012, 05:01 PM

How many falcons are sold in New Zealand?

BHDOGS · 03-05-2012, 07:38 PM

excellent numbers for ford good to hear

**Dave R** · 03-05-2012, 07:41 PM

2.5k from the falcon/territory platform isn't terrible I guess.