Speeding Fine Help

naddis01 · 15-06-2008, 10:43 PM

Yesterday I got a speeding fine for under 15km over the 100km/hr speed limit.

: My question is.. Is there anyway to get this waived without going to court? Am I able to write a letter to have it reveiwed? This is my first ever speeding fine in my ~9 years of driving.

If I am able to write a letter, what do I need to say in it and who do I send it to?

**ebxr8240** · 15-06-2008, 10:48 PM

Try if not successful ????......... pay !!!

GJB XR · 15-06-2008, 11:29 PM

Did you get done by a fixed speed camera or by highway patrol? I think you have three options.
Option 1. Pay the fine and cop the points.
Option 2. You can contest the fine in court but if you loose you have to pay the fine cop the points and pay for the court cost.
Option 3. try your luck and write a letter. There was something in the media about a week ago saying that there is a website for suggested letters to get of fines. But I have also heard that if you have a clean record for about 10 years you will generally get of your first fine.

Let us know what you do and the outcome.

Creampuff · 16-06-2008, 06:39 AM

Why should it be waived? Were you speeding of not?

Rodp · 16-06-2008, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Creampuff

Why should it be waived? Were you speeding of not?

A clean driving record spanning that many years can be forgiven one indiscretion, IMO. Particularly the lowest bracket in a 100kph zone.

boo81 · 16-06-2008, 09:02 AM

Speeding is speeding though, right? I speed, I got caught (once in over 10 years driving) I paid the fine...

just because you have a clean record doesn't take away the fact that you broke the law. Sure it sucks, but if you did wrong - cop it on the chin.

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||| · 16-06-2008, 09:13 AM

i heard you pay $0.01 too much and then they cant process it and you dont get any points taken off so you can continue to speed and there's nothing anyone can do about it

lukey · 16-06-2008, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by |||

i heard you pay $0.01 too much and then they cant process it and you dont get any points taken off so you can continue to speed and there's nothing anyone can do about it

This is just an urban legend, it doesn't really work they'll just put a .01c credit to you.

naddis01 · 16-06-2008, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by lukey

This is just an urban legend, it doesn't really work they'll just put a .01c credit to you.

Thats what I thought as well.

R0BD0G · 16-06-2008, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by |||

i heard you pay $0.01 too much and then they cant process it and you dont get any points taken off so you can continue to speed and there's nothing anyone can do about it

we used to have a mate that did that... he'd send a check for eg, Fine = $200 he'd send a check for $200.01 and it couldnt be accepted and he didnt lose anything

Rodp · 17-06-2008, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Kermit 73

we used to have a mate that did that... he'd send a check for eg, Fine = $200 he'd send a check for $200.01 and it couldnt be accepted and he didnt lose anything

He was either yanking your chain or he didn't realise that he was still being deducted points. It's an urban myth.

**Charliewool** · 16-06-2008, 09:21 AM

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...peeding+letter

See post 16 ... I also believe this will only work if 10kph or less over the limit

SB076 · 17-06-2008, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by charliewool

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...peeding+letter

See post 16 ... I also believe this will only work if 10kph or less over the limit

Read that - you can get off fines without going to court
1) you need to have a good driving record (no fines in the last three years I think)
2) You need to be travelling no faster than 10kph over

If thats you than you can ask for a warning - you just need to follow whats in the thread.

As for people saying just pay the fine, obviously the people who issue the fine have at their discretion the ability to waive fines under certain circumstances and this obviously must be lawful. So if you such a law abiding citizen you will have no problem with him requesting the fine be waived.

Mark s · 16-06-2008, 09:23 AM

If you live in NSW they normally will let you off with a warning. They allow 1 warning every 10 years. This warning only applies for 25 k's and under.

If it happened in a school zone, then there is no warning you cop the fine.

I was one of those who were busted in the Lane Cove tunnel, when the road works was in force, I got caught doing 54 in a 40 zone. I rang the number on the fine and spoke to one of the operators, and they saw I had a clean driving record, last offence was 1992 and pretty much let me off with a warning. I have to keep my nose clean for another 10 years now before I am allowed to do this again.

There should be a contact number on the fine, of even a website to visit which should have the contact information.

If they do let you of, and they should. Make sure you get a letter send to you confirming this. Just to cover you butt in case someone makes a mistake. You have the warning in writing.

Cheers
Mark

Fev · 16-06-2008, 09:36 AM

why does everyone have to be a damn beurocrat??

If you can get out of the fine, go for it - i cannot imagine 1 person (other the people doing 20km's under) who hasnt, and doesnt regularly speed. It isn Dangerous per se, unless you are doing it on a road that cant handle those speeds - roads can usually handle another 10km's ontop of the speedlimit safely, but its kept that low for the crap drivers that dont know what they are doing and like to look through the steering wheel to see whats ahead of them. Sure you got caught, sure, you were speeding but its not like it was dangerous, a threat to society, public enemy No1! ah! The Gestapo!

boo81 · 16-06-2008, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Fev

why does everyone have to be a damn beurocrat??

If you can get out of the fine, go for it - i cannot imagine 1 person (other the people doing 20km's under) who hasnt, and doesnt regularly speed. It isn Dangerous per se, unless you are doing it on a road that cant handle those speeds - roads can usually handle another 10km's ontop of the speedlimit safely, but its kept that low for the crap drivers that dont know what they are doing and like to look through the steering wheel to see whats ahead of them. Sure you got caught, sure, you were speeding but its not like it was dangerous, a threat to society, public enemy No1! ah! The Gestapo!

Agree with your points about speeding 'safely' etc Fev, but I am of the same opinion - if you get away with speeding all the time, then good luck to you. But when you do finally get caught - cop it on the chin...

But each to their own on this one I think.

xy500 · 12-07-2008, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Fev

why does everyone have to be a damn beurocrat??

If you can get out of the fine, go for it - i cannot imagine 1 person (other the people doing 20km's under) who hasnt, and doesnt regularly speed. It isn Dangerous per se, unless you are doing it on a road that cant handle those speeds - roads can usually handle another 10km's ontop of the speedlimit safely, but its kept that low for the crap drivers that dont know what they are doing and like to look through the steering wheel to see whats ahead of them. Sure you got caught, sure, you were speeding but its not like it was dangerous, a threat to society, public enemy No1! ah! The Gestapo!

i follow the speed limit and try my best not to go over, so that makes me a granny driver ay?

its because of people like you that they continously bring the speed limit down, just follow the stupid limit! the roads may handle faster speeds, but statistically you can't handle the speed! break the law, cop the penalty i say, no different to any other law, you know its wrong but you still do it.

olfella · 12-07-2008, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by xy500

cop the penalty i say, no different to any other law, you know its wrong but you still do it.

I know we are all risk takers at one time or another, but occasionally there are valid reasons and extenuating circumstances, and these should be catered for in any fair and just system.

naddis01 · 12-07-2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by xy500

i follow the speed limit and try my best not to go over, so that makes me a granny driver ay?

its because of people like you that they continously bring the speed limit down, just follow the stupid limit! the roads may handle faster speeds, but statistically you can't handle the speed! break the law, cop the penalty i say, no different to any other law, you know its wrong but you still do it.

You follow the speed limit but you may have a momentary lapse where you exceed the speed limit. If you haven't had a fine in 10 years are you just going to cop it or are you going to ask for a review considering there are rules in place to do so?

Things aren't so black and white.

EgoFG · 13-07-2008, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by xy500

but statistically you can't handle the speed!

There are no Stats to support that statement - I have been looking very hard.

When the Police tag an accident as speed related, the speed involved being deemed as excessive may have been within the speed limit.

The actual cause is not statistically gathered, separately from other factors.

I do not endorse speeding, But speed will rarely (if ever) cause an accident - although it can make accidents worse.

I think this thread is about the law, and the clemency that the law provides.

Rodp · 13-07-2008, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by EgoFG

I do not endorse speeding, But speed will rarely (if ever) cause an accident - although it can make accidents worse.

But isn't that the whole point? Increased speed = increased trauma.

Don't want to steal the thread, but...

You could probably argue to the nth degree as to whether speed was the cause of an accident so you can simply write it off as a contributing factor. I don't buy that speed is rarely or ever the cause of an accident.

A vehicle taking a tight bend rated for 30kph at 90kph, car doesn't make it, runs wide and collects a tree. You could list half a dozen factors as to what caused the accident but quite simply, had the car been doing the rated speed or less on that bend then there's a significantly higher chance they would have negotitated it.

Mark s · 16-06-2008, 09:45 AM

I just found this for NSW drivers.

Might be no good if you have been driving for 9 years, but you can try.

http://www.sdro.nsw.gov.au/your_opti..._leniency.html

naddis01 · 16-06-2008, 06:36 PM

Thanks to all those who have helped so far. I think I will try a letter or ring them and see what happens. If nothing comes of it, then I will cop it on the chin and pay the fine.

Just a little more info. I was driving on the Sturt Hwy between Narrandera and Wagga Wagga. It is a 100km/hr road and was done by a highway patrol. I have actually been driving for 10 years including L's. Does that constitute 8, 9 or 10 years driving? Do they include Ls and Ps? I assume they would.

Yaw · 13-07-2008, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BAXLS

Just a little more info. I was driving on the Sturt Hwy between Narrandera and Wagga Wagga. It is a 100km/hr road and was done by a highway patrol. I have actually been driving for 10 years including L's. Does that constitute 8, 9 or 10 years driving? Do they include Ls and Ps? I assume they would.

Obviously the Highway patrol, not a camera or roadside radar thought it serious enough to pull you over to ticket you for it.
The police have discretion to allow you off, just because this particular officer did not see fit to allow you that discretion does not mean you were not doing more than the speed limit. Usual rule of thumb is a 10% discretion, which to me would mean you must of by the officers radar been doing more than 10klm over the limit, which to IMO is not just a lapse in judgment, 5-6 klm per hour may be put down to Speedo accuracy anything more, you either a. should have paid more attention or
B. made a conscious decision to do it.
What is there to review?

I am not saying I am a perfect driver, but to answer your question if I would ask for a review, NO I would not especially after acknowledging the fact I was in the wrong.

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olfella · 13-07-2008, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Yaw

Obviously the Highway patrol, not a camera or roadside radar thought it serious enough to pull you over to ticket you for it.
The police have discretion to allow you off, just because this particular officer did not see fit to allow you that discretion does not mean you were not doing more than the speed limit. Usual rule of thumb is a 10% discretion, which to me would mean you must of by the officers radar been doing more than 10klm over the limit, which to IMO is not just a lapse in judgment, 5-6 klm per hour may be put down to Speedo accuracy anything more, you either a. should have paid more attention or
B. made a conscious decision to do it.
What is there to review?

I am not saying I am a perfect driver, but to answer your question if I would ask for a review, NO I would not especially after acknowledging the fact I was in the wrong.

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Or C. he had just completed an overtaking manouvre; or D the officer did not like the way his hair was parted, E maybe the officer was having a bad day and mistook the F111 overhead for his vehicle?

FPV GT40 · 13-07-2008, 04:47 PM

If you do the crime do the time (or pay the fine)

If you were speeding what is the problem???

By stating your clean driving record are you saying this was the very first time in all your driving life that you exceeded the speed limit??

Or is it the first time you were caught and fined???

If it was the first time you were caught, be glad for all the other times you were not caught, and where you won the game, the one time you lost just accept the punishment.

Yaw · 13-07-2008, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by olfella

Or C. he had just completed an overtaking manouvre; or D the officer did not like the way his hair was parted, E maybe the officer was having a bad day and mistook the F111 overhead for his vehicle?

C: there is no exception to speeding even if you are overtaking
D: I find hard to believe in any event.
E: No where in the above posts does he deny he doing more than 100 kph,
In fact he has written a letter basically stating he was guilty but asked for consideration of his previous driving record.

olfella · 13-07-2008, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Yaw

In fact he has written a letter basically stating he was guilty but asked for consideration of his previous driving record.

Well you are entitled to your opinion and it appears you are not changing that - neither am I.

Just in passing though, if you are folowing someone and they keep fluctuating their speeed because they are towing a trailer/van so they go faster down hill and slow up; would you try and overtake them? and what if this just happened to be on a nice straight stretch of road where they were close to the speed limit. You may sit there but me and others are going to leave htem to it - and by doing so we may happen to 'speed' or go over the posted limit. Never been there?

chief · 16-06-2008, 07:01 PM

With such a good record you can plead guilty and then asked to be sentenced under a Section 10. Basically a Section 10 will mean there are no demerit points, no fine and no conviction recorded.

naddis01 · 16-06-2008, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by chief

With such a good record you can plead guilty and then asked to be sentenced under a Section 10. Basically a Section 10 will mean there are no demerit points, no fine and no conviction recorded.

But that would mean going to court would it not? I am not going to take it to court. Can you direct me to the Section 10 you are talking about?

Mark S, can you remember what you said when you rang them and got the warning?