BMW VS ASTON Crash

MAFIA · 27-11-2007, 01:46 PM

This link say it all.http://www.ozaudi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13318

Dave_au · 27-11-2007, 01:51 PM

Certainly gave it a good whack.

And Ill be first to say "It'll buff out"

Falcon_Phill · 27-11-2007, 01:57 PM

Rich w^nkers! That sucks though, what a waste.

fmc351 · 27-11-2007, 02:23 PM

Stupid bogan Commodo.... wait what?

davocol · 27-11-2007, 02:24 PM

Holy crap, how strong is that bloody pole. Well at least the traffic light is still standing.

BA GT-HO · 27-11-2007, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by davocol

Holy crap, how strong is that bloody pole. Well at least the traffic light is still standing.

My thoughts exactly.

TZENU · 27-11-2007, 02:32 PM

Way to go to destroy a beautiful car!!!! Would love to see the look on his old man's face when he fronts him!

Fev · 27-11-2007, 03:23 PM

if that was my car id whoop the sh!it out of myself let alone my kid!!

Aeron · 27-11-2007, 03:34 PM

Can I have the engine?!?!?!

Steffo · 27-11-2007, 03:41 PM

Good thing the driver is ok.

Good thing there's one less M5 on the road, hate those stupid things.

MAGPIE · 27-11-2007, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

Good thing there's one less M5 on the road, hate those stupid things.

Have you got any statistics to warrant that hatred

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FORD3V · 27-11-2007, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MAGPIE

Have you got any statistics to warrant that hatred

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You have done it now mate,get ready for a 6 page essay from steffo about why M5's are crap..............

Steffo · 27-11-2007, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MAGPIE

Have you got any statistics to warrant that hatred

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Where do I start?

The E60 takes the idea that the E28, E34 and E39 were and completley warps and destroys it.

They were the ultimate "executive express," whereas this new thing doesn't know what it is. Its trying to be a Ferrari F430 or Porsche 911 Turbo in the package of a big, heavy family sedan? Fail.

An engine with 373kW @ 7750rpm and 520Nm @ 6100rpm does not belong in a 1755kg luxury sedan. Looking at the buyer demographic at the M5, E63 and RS6... it doesn't make sense. The E63 has a 6.2litre V8 with 378kW @ 6800rpm, 630Nm @ 5200rpm (500Nm @ 2000rpm, 530Nm @ 3000rpm...) and the RS6 has a 650Nm @ 1500rpm 5.2 TT V10 (426kW @ 6250rpm). Take a guess why the other big fat luxury cars with their super torquey engines make sense and the ultra highly strung M5 with less torque then a VE HSV doesn't...

Then there's the gearbox setup they've got in it. The SMGIII I have no gripe with, I love sequential manual gearboxes... however... why it needs 500,000 different settings is beyond me. There's also the engine's stupid setup... why is there a need for a "294kW," mode? That does't make sense. And furthermore, why is the gearbox restricted to only being capable of automatic function in 294kW mode? Why are there 500,000 different settings for the suspension? Why does the car have to be so complicated? Don't forget how slow it is in 294kW mode (14.6's down the 1/4) and the already poor overtaking ability you get with such a highly strung engine (cruising in 7th would require a downshift through 5 gears to overtake say, a B-Double... that's 5 gears you have to cycle through yourself... in your big 'lazy,' luxury car).

The whole "four door supercar," thing doesn't work. And then when you get really down and dirty... its not even that fast!

Nurburgring-Nordschleife:

BMW E60 M5 - 8:13
HSV VTII GTS300 - 8:15
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo9 - 8:11
Mercedes-Benz SL55 AMG - 8:06 (2150kg superfat luxo coupe anyone?)
BMW E92 M3 - 8:05 (baby brother???)
Mercedes-Benz CLK63 AMG Black Series - 7:45 (1760kg, fat Mercedes with an auto!?)

So the "ultimate driving machine," can't beat an Evo, a fat SL55 steel-roof two tonne convertible, its baby brother, and a similarly sized fat Mercedes coupe with an autobox. It also barely is able to beat a washed out 7 year old 300kW HSV.

Don't forget how fragile they are. Almost everyone that's tested one has broken all sorts of things on it. Watch the Top Gear M5 test... they break all sorts of stuff and comment on it negatively.

There's more, but that about covers it for the moment...

DDXR6T · 27-11-2007, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

Where do I start?

The E60 takes the idea that the E28, E34 and E39 were and completley warps and destroys it.

They were the ultimate "executive express," whereas this new thing doesn't know what it is. Its trying to be a Ferrari F430 or Porsche 911 Turbo in the package of a big, heavy family sedan? Fail.

An engine with 373kW @ 7750rpm and 520Nm @ 6100rpm does not belong in a 1755kg luxury sedan. Looking at the buyer demographic at the M5, E63 and RS6... it doesn't make sense. The E63 has a 6.2litre V8 with 378kW @ 6800rpm, 630Nm @ 5200rpm (500Nm @ 2000rpm, 530Nm @ 3000rpm...) and the RS6 has a 650Nm @ 1500rpm 5.2 TT V10 (426kW @ 6250rpm). Take a guess why the other big fat luxury cars with their super torquey engines make sense and the ultra highly strung M5 with less torque then a VE HSV doesn't...

Then there's the gearbox setup they've got in it. The SMGIII I have no gripe with, I love sequential manual gearboxes... however... why it needs 500,000 different settings is beyond me. There's also the engine's stupid setup... why is there a need for a "294kW," mode? That does't make sense. And furthermore, why is the gearbox restricted to only being capable of automatic function in 294kW mode? Why are there 500,000 different settings for the suspension? Why does the car have to be so complicated? Don't forget how slow it is in 294kW mode (14.6's down the 1/4) and the already poor overtaking ability you get with such a highly strung engine (cruising in 7th would require a downshift through 5 gears to overtake say, a B-Double... that's 5 gears you have to cycle through yourself... in your big 'lazy,' luxury car).

The whole "four door supercar," thing doesn't work. And then when you get really down and dirty... its not even that fast!

Nurburgring-Nordschleife:

BMW E60 M5 - 8:13
HSV VTII GTS300 - 8:15
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo9 - 8:11
Mercedes-Benz SL55 AMG - 8:06 (2150kg superfat luxo coupe anyone?)
BMW E92 M3 - 8:05 (baby brother???)
Mercedes-Benz CLK63 AMG Black Series - 7:45 (1760kg, fat Mercedes with an auto!?)

So the "ultimate driving machine," can't beat an Evo, a fat SL55 steel-roof two tonne convertible, its baby brother, and a similarly sized fat Mercedes coupe with an autobox. It also barely is able to beat a washed out 7 year old 300kW HSV.

Don't forget how fragile they are. Almost everyone that's tested one has broken all sorts of things on it. Watch the Top Gear M5 test... they break all sorts of stuff and comment on it negatively.

There's more, but that about covers it for the moment...

Case closed.

Dave_au · 27-11-2007, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

There's more, but that about covers it for the moment...

No please, continue.

Steffo · 27-11-2007, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave_au

No please, continue.

Oh ok the other stuff is just little things like the stupid dashboard design with nowhere to even put a wallet or some coins, the fact that its less comfortable then its Audi and Mercedes counterparts, ugly, sounds a bit off in my opinion (but sound is something thats impossible to be judged as "fact," its subjective) etc.

V8falcons · 27-11-2007, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

Where do I start?

The E60 takes the idea that the E28, E34 and E39 were and completley warps and destroys it.

They were the ultimate "executive express," whereas this new thing doesn't know what it is. Its trying to be a Ferrari F430 or Porsche 911 Turbo in the package of a big, heavy family sedan? Fail.

An engine with 373kW @ 7750rpm and 520Nm @ 6100rpm does not belong in a 1755kg luxury sedan. Looking at the buyer demographic at the M5, E63 and RS6... it doesn't make sense. The E63 has a 6.2litre V8 with 378kW @ 6800rpm, 630Nm @ 5200rpm (500Nm @ 2000rpm, 530Nm @ 3000rpm...) and the RS6 has a 650Nm @ 1500rpm 5.2 TT V10 (426kW @ 6250rpm). Take a guess why the other big fat luxury cars with their super torquey engines make sense and the ultra highly strung M5 with less torque then a VE HSV doesn't...

Then there's the gearbox setup they've got in it. The SMGIII I have no gripe with, I love sequential manual gearboxes... however... why it needs 500,000 different settings is beyond me. There's also the engine's stupid setup... why is there a need for a "294kW," mode? That does't make sense. And furthermore, why is the gearbox restricted to only being capable of automatic function in 294kW mode? Why are there 500,000 different settings for the suspension? Why does the car have to be so complicated? Don't forget how slow it is in 294kW mode (14.6's down the 1/4) and the already poor overtaking ability you get with such a highly strung engine (cruising in 7th would require a downshift through 5 gears to overtake say, a B-Double... that's 5 gears you have to cycle through yourself... in your big 'lazy,' luxury car).

The whole "four door supercar," thing doesn't work. And then when you get really down and dirty... its not even that fast!

Nurburgring-Nordschleife:

BMW E60 M5 - 8:13
HSV VTII GTS300 - 8:15
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo9 - 8:11
Mercedes-Benz SL55 AMG - 8:06 (2150kg superfat luxo coupe anyone?)
BMW E92 M3 - 8:05 (baby brother???)
Mercedes-Benz CLK63 AMG Black Series - 7:45 (1760kg, fat Mercedes with an auto!?)

So the "ultimate driving machine," can't beat an Evo, a fat SL55 steel-roof two tonne convertible, its baby brother, and a similarly sized fat Mercedes coupe with an autobox. It also barely is able to beat a washed out 7 year old 300kW HSV.

Don't forget how fragile they are. Almost everyone that's tested one has broken all sorts of things on it. Watch the Top Gear M5 test... they break all sorts of stuff and comment on it negatively.

There's more, but that about covers it for the moment...

PPFFTTTTTT,I dont know HOW you could lower your self to jump in to your spectron van on LPG and drive off to work/TAFE/school with all that knowledge and experience under your belt.
How do they drive ,How many of these Have you driven or have you just read a few mags and watched a few episodes of topgear?

MAGPIE · 27-11-2007, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by vctxr6ute

PPFFTTTTTT,I dont know HOW you could lower your self to jump in to your spectron van on LPG and drive off to work/TAFE/school with all that knowledge and experience under your belt.
How do they drive ,How many of these Have you driven or have you just read a few mags and watched a few episodes of topgear?

Don't waste your time, it's all been said before

Steffo · 27-11-2007, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by vctxr6ute

PPFFTTTTTT,I dont know HOW you could lower your self to jump in to your spectron van on LPG and drive off to work/TAFE/school with all that knowledge and experience under your belt.
How do they drive ,How many of these Have you driven or have you just read a few mags and watched a few episodes of topgear?

Spectron van on LPG hey? Interesting...

Anyway... I've been in the new M6 (that one does the Nurburgring in 8:07.76 if anyone's interested) which is the M5's faster, two door brother. I'm not a fan.

MAGPIE · 27-11-2007, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

There's more, but that about covers it for the moment...

What about how a VW Polo will hose it down the quarter mile and around any given track

Steffo · 27-11-2007, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MAGPIE

What about how a VW Polo will hose it down the quarter mile and around any given track

Not a Polo... but you want a list of VAG products that are faster?

Sticking to the good old N-Ring theme...

M5 = 8:13
Audi R8 = 8:04
Audi RS4 = 7:58

And a few silly ones I know but...
Bugatti EB 16/4 Veyron = 7:40
Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 = 7:40
Lamborghini Murcielago = 7:43.5
Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera = 7:46
Lamborghini Gallardo = 7:52

http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php...=4571e21f46306

RS4 wins vast majority.

You're right though... I like VW more then BMW.

**Polyal** · 27-11-2007, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

Good thing there's one less M5 on the road, hate those stupid things.

Now that takes the cake, I too await the reasons. Oh its not a Merc

Sourbastard · 27-11-2007, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Oh its not a Merc

Its not a pintara on LPG either.

TEaaron · 27-11-2007, 04:49 PM

Now imagine that was a commodore hitting the pole at 150.

They'd be nothing left

FORD3V · 27-11-2007, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TEaaron

Now imagine that was a commodore hitting the pole at 150.

They'd be nothing left

Or a 70's cortina

GreenMachine · 27-11-2007, 03:45 PM

"Dad, I scratched the car... Scratched the passenger's side right off..."

Sourbastard · 27-11-2007, 03:52 PM

Well its not quite as exotic, but this is what happens when you rob a coles shopping center, get chased by the cops, side swipe a nissan navara, lose control, mount a median strip, get airborn, and land on the bonnet of an oncomming mitsubishi magna outside of sourbastards house last weekend.

Thanks to mrs bastard for the photos.

kyro_02 · 27-11-2007, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sourbastard

Well its not quite as exotic, but this is what happens when you rob a coles shopping center, get chased by the cops, side swipe a nissan navara, lose control, mount a median strip, get airborn, and land on the bonnet of an oncomming mitsubishi magna outside of sourbastards house last weekend.

Thanks to mrs bastard for the photos.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57...d/IMGP0603.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57...d/IMGP0587.jpg

so did everyone survive ??? it looks a bit buckled

Sourbastard · 27-11-2007, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kyro_02

so did everyone survive ??? it looks a bit buckled

indeed they did! The two suspects were taken away on backboards, but alive. The female driver of the magna had minimal injuries it appears. What also survived were the distribution size baggies of white powder from the back of the laser.

daniel_rossy · 27-11-2007, 03:53 PM

Oh wow thats not going to be a happy daddy. Take a look at the wheel in the last picture also :S
At least no one was hurt.

Ohhh that would of been loud sourbastard!!
Hope no one was hurt.
I cant really tell which way is the front... wait i got it.
Owch.