New Laws NSW banning all aftermarket exhausts?

[sleekism]

I was chatting to a mate who was recently pulled over by the cops and told to cut the LED's on his EL as they were illegal etc. etc. etc.

Anyway apparently the cop told him that there are new laws coming in making his 2.5" system illegal and that ALL cars will have to have factory spec exhausts!!

Has anybody heard about this?? It seem a stupid law as it's going to off a lot of people and send a lot of businesses broke. Then again the Government often makes pretty stupid laws.

[james22]

I'd like to see them enforce that rule lol. Every car in this town will be a moving defect

[Sledgehammer]

I dont think that they could make the 'system illegal' but they could try to enforce the EPA / ADR etc side of things more at rego time.

[Fairlane]

Actually they are illegal now.

Copper was just being a smart ar$e, there is no new laws, but according to ADR's anything that modifies the emissions of a vehicle, ie new exhaust, must be test to make sure it passes noise and emissions requirements. Its just that no one enforces it, not the inspection sites or the coppers. Noise is easy to pass, but emissions well thats a hard one, its real hard to expect any car to pass emissions testing as the original testing is done in perfect lab circumstances

[Laminge]

Originally Posted by Fairlane

Actually they are illegal now.

Copper was just being a smart ar$e, there is no new laws, but according to ADR's anything that modifies the emissions of a vehicle, ie new exhaust, must be test to make sure it passes noise and emissions requirements. Its just that no one enforces it, not the inspection sites or the coppers. Noise is easy to pass, but emissions well thats a hard one, its real hard to expect any car to pass emissions testing as the original testing is done in perfect lab circumstances

Answered in the first few posts, beats me what the rest of thread is about.

Only person in Melbourne to have compliant exhausts was Herrods, correct me if I am wrong

[colossus]

I have heard of these new laws too banning all exhaust modifications - cant remember the details though...

EDIT - they announced it the same time as they announced the "no loud music after 10pm" and new car alarm noise laws.

[Yaw]

I have found this, I think this is what is being talked about:

http://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/re...86noiseris.pdf


It is estimated that approximately 10% of drivers of non-compliant vehicles identified through
DEC enforcement work (noise tests and inspections) claimed that their vehicles were modified
noisy at the time of purchase8. If non-compliance is detected during the warranty of sale for the
vehicle (usually 3 months for used vehicles), drivers have the option of returning the vehicle to
the seller for repairs to bring it into compliance with the Regulation. The Regulation supports
drivers in their endeavours to get sellers to fix non-compliant vehicles under the warranty of sale.
The Regulation sends a message to sellers that they must not perpetuate the distribution of
noisy motor vehicles into the NSW fleet. It is therefore proposed that the existing regulatory
controls over sale of motor vehicles continue.

Clause 5 (Sale of motor vehicles generally). This clause creates an offence where a person
sells a motor vehicle that emits more noise than prescribed in Schedule 1 of the Noise Control
Regulation. The prescribed noise level limit varies depending on the type of vehicle, e.g. petrol
or diesel vehicles, and cars or trucks. This approach is supported by the community, as
demonstrated by the results of the 2004 NSW Neighbourhood Noise Survey. The survey
showed that the community considered it appropriate or highly appropriate to regulate
motorcycles and modified motor cars by specifying a maximum noise level.
To establish whether an offence has been committed under this clause, enforcement officers
must carry out a noise test. Noise tests can be time consuming and difficult to carry out,
particularly where location and time constraints are not conducive. In these circumstances,
clause 6 of the existing Regulation provides alternative means for detecting noisy vehicles for
sale, such as carrying out a visual inspection of the noise control equipment for defects.
Clause 6 (Sale of used motor vehicles with defective noise control equipment). This clause
creates an offence to offer a motor vehicle for sale with defective or unsecured noise control
equipment. Noise control equipment can be considered defective where it:
• allows the emission of more noise than did the original noise control equipment fitted by the
vehicle manufacturer; or
• has, in the opinion of an authorised officer, been modified in any way that makes it less
effective than it would have been if not for the modification; or
• allows gas to escape from a place other than the intended exhaust outlet; or
• contains fewer mufflers than the original system fitted by the manufacturer (if the equipment
comprises a system of mufflers).
It is generally the case that vehicles missing key noise control components such as mufflers, or
with modified mufflers, will exceed the prescribed noise limits. Clause 6 of the existing
Regulation requires that noise control equipment is securely in place and not defective. In most
cases, this removes the need for a noise test. However, in cases where noise control equipment
is modified and the officer is unsure whether the noise control equipment is less effective, a
noise test should be carried out. Noise tests are often carried out by DECC authorised officers to
support the finding of defective noise control equipment. Labour costs associated with noise
testing motor vehicles are approximately double that of carrying out a visual inspection.9 The
intent of this provision is to allow a visual inspection of noise control equipment as an alternative
where circumstances are not favourable for a field noise test.


Sounds to me to be pretty full on!!

After you have sold a vehicle, and it does not meet the code, up to 3 months later you can be held finacially responible to do so.

[Bill_R]

Originally Posted by Yaw

Noise control equipment can be considered defective where it:
• allows the emission of more noise than did the original noise control equipment fitted by the
vehicle manufacturer; or
• has, in the opinion of an authorised officer, been modified in any way that makes it less
effective than it would have been if not for the modification; or
• allows gas to escape from a place other than the intended exhaust outlet; or
• contains fewer mufflers than the original system fitted by the manufacturer .

this is the way it has been in NSW for ages.
The last point is important. You can't render a noise control device inoperable and that extends to when you fit an aftermarket exhaust. If the aftermarket exhaust, for example, has only one muffler and the original had two then you are considered to have rendered one defective.
I'd think if you went up to 2 1/2" you are ok as long as it is below the dBA limit AND has the same number of mufflers and resonator (if applicable).

[xr6t8u]

Originally Posted by Bill_R

this is the way it has been in NSW for ages.
The last point is important. You can't render a noise control device inoperable and that extends to when you fit an aftermarket exhaust. If the aftermarket exhaust, for example, has only one muffler and the original had two then you are considered to have rendered one defective.
I'd think if you went up to 2 1/2" you are ok as long as it is below the dBA limit AND has the same number of mufflers and resonator (if applicable).

You can have good power without a loud or overt exhaust.
One of my F6's with 380rwkw has an x-force exhaust with twin 2.5" pipes and large mufflers, and I retained the exhaust tip so that it looks stock.
It's very close to legal db.
No-one would know its not stock, and that's the way I prefer it.
Most guys with the loud exhausts or big cannon mufflers do so for the "look at me" factor.
Brian

[Bill_R]

Originally Posted by xr6t8u

Most guys with the loud exhausts or big cannon mufflers do so for the "look at me" factor.
Brian

Yeah, I agree.
That isn't really for me but each to his own.
I can remeber old XU1 Toranas on the Speedway with incredibly loud exhausts. When Noise regs hit the Speedway I liked the sound of the cars. They still went liek lightning. I used to liek the sound of Dick Johnson's Falcon at Amaroo too but those are days gone by.

[3vXT]

Originally Posted by sleekism

pulled over by the pigs

Are you 12 years old or something? Grow up.

As for your question, It sounds like the 'pigs' were just trying to scare your mate. There may be laws about changing exhausts etc but other then getting defects for them being too loud, i have never heard of anyone being fined.

[XCSEDAN]

good luck to them, that just about rules 50% of cars out on the road....
there would be 50% of cars that have had at least part of the exhaust replaced at some point or another yeah?

[uranium_death]

I think banning ALL aftermarket exhausts is ridiculous really.

While I think there has to be some moderation on noise, a bit of grunt is ok. I can't stand the ricer jerks who tear down my street at 2am with their exhaust spluttering out loud and their sound system doofing away. No landmines when you need them.

I think that people should be allowed to fit exhausts, but some moderation has to be executed. There should be exemptions for race cars etc.

[|||]

if it bans ricer coffee can exhausts then i say go for it

[Yaw]

I think a lot more responsibilty should rest on the hands of the exhaust fitter, For instance Midas, Macs Mufflers etc, If they are knowingly (and they should) fitting an exhaust that is not going to be street legal to a street registered car they too should have fines aimed at them. (and perhaps random audits of thier work.) Or at very least a signed statement from the purchaser making it abunatley clear the system is not leagal.

[paule11]

Originally Posted by |||

if it bans ricer coffee can exhausts then i say go for it

They should ban those ricer exhausts nothing more annoying than being stuck next to some 4 cylinder sounding like a gigantic fart machine.

[Bill_R]

Originally Posted by paule11

They should ban those ricer exhausts nothing more annoying than being stuck next to some 4 cylinder sounding like a gigantic fart machine.

Ditto. with the fart funnel out the back.

[blacklabel]

Originally Posted by paule11

They should ban those ricer exhausts nothing more annoying than being stuck next to some 4 cylinder sounding like a gigantic fart machine.

Absolutely! And whats even worse is the rotary brigade with milo-tin exhausts.They aren't just annoyingly loud-the sound actually resonates through your brain,as well as your house.
There is legislation being drafted in NZ which will restrict what can you do in regards to modifying factory exhaust sytems.It will be enforced during the "warrant of fitness" test every six months on a decibel level.Whether this means you can do what you want providing you don't exceed that level is another question!

[DBourne]

im sure they wont bother about normal modified exhausts, but the dumb .. cant say the W word, who have milo tin exhausts on pulsar's etc will cop it (hehe good pun)

[prydey]

emissions are not really controlled by exhaust. the catalytic converter does this job on factory cars in conjunction with numerous sensors and ecu keeping car tuned. a lot of people modify the tuning side of the vehicle, the ecu etc which in turn could effect emissions. the catalytic converter dos its best but if the engine is pumping out more catalysts than it can handle then the best, most legal exhaust in the world won't solve that problem.

[superpursuit83]

As mentioned its law now. Why do you think the reputable exhaust/performance mobs get ADR compliance on there systems. If you buy a adr compliant system it should meet emission and noise regs. Then your ok. Unfortunately half of us have a custom system without a peice of paper to say its legal.

[WASP]

Originally Posted by superpursuit83

As mentioned its law now. Why do you think the reputable exhaust/performance mobs get ADR compliance on there systems. If you buy a adr compliant system it should meet emission and noise regs. Then your ok. Unfortunately half of us have a custom system without a peice of paper to say its legal.

Agreed. One thing to remember which most of us forget. An ADR approved exhaust is only legal if it is the identical spec as vehicle tested to meet the compliance. What I mean by this is these systems are tested on stock vehicles usually. If you buy and fit the exhaust and then change your induction or fuel system (or add a supercharger!) although it may still meet the emmisions standards, the vehicle is no longer legal until it is retested and/or proven otherwise. There's the catch and it's a long and expensive process to gain approval.

'Most' police while knowing this do not exercise the law unless your caught doing somthing silly or your mods are so overtly obvious. If you have the unfortunate need to have your vehicle inspected by the transport authority then you best be prepared for it.

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by superpursuit83

As mentioned its law now. Why do you think the reputable exhaust/performance mobs get ADR compliance on there systems. If you buy a adr compliant system it should meet emission and noise regs. Then your ok. Unfortunately half of us have a custom system without a peice of paper to say its legal.

very good point, however . how strict are they going to be . i think the vibe is , with EURO III , AND onwards they are going to carck down . as we are all aware .
our GT's are EURO II. and i have an aftermarket ADR COMPLIENT , exhaust fitted . i cannot prove it, as all i have is a manufacturers say so.
the $$$$ question is ???? on my car both factory and the exhaust i have fitted have differant Db . ratings. beacuse the aftermarket one is only legal if fitted, after sale, the manufacturer, cannot legaly fit my exhaust to the car as standard. think of the great contradiction here !!!!
i think this is where the laws will match up down the track.

really when you think about it / if a car is designed for a performance output , to strict regulation. if the manufacturer is bound, to stick to a regulation . shouldnt the regulation be the same for the owner. the car will gothe same places with either exhaust.
think of it this way , if i get arrested for being naked in a restaurant/ it would be right to get arrested for going to work naked .

[FORD3V]

Originally Posted by sleekism

I was chatting to a mate who was recently pulled over by the pigs and told to cut the LED's on his EL as they were illegal etc. etc. etc.

Anyway apparently the cop told him that there are new laws coming in making his 2.5" system illegal and that ALL cars will have to have factory spec exhausts!!

Has anybody heard about this?? It seem a stupid law as it's going to off a lot of people and send a lot of businesses broke. Then again the Government often makes pretty stupid laws.

Most loud exhaust's are already illegal,doesnt meen the law is enforced.

As for calling the police "pigs" take your nappy of mate and show a bit of respect.

[sleekism]

Originally Posted by FORD3V

Most loud exhaust's are already illegal,doesnt meen the law is enforced.

As for calling the police "pigs" take your nappy of mate and show a bit of respect.

Slip of the tongue don't even think the word is offensive anymore copper up the road even has a pig shaped mailbox lol

[FORD3V]

Originally Posted by sleekism

Slip of the tongue don't even think the word is offensive anymore copper up the road even has a pig shaped mailbox lol

I think you would find that most coppers would find the term "pig" fairly disrespectful,probably because it is.

[cowboy]

Thing most police overlook exhaust mods if they are not over the top and you are driving with some brains. Drive like a d#*khead and they will use it against you.

[FORD3V]

Originally Posted by cowboy

Thing most police overlook exhaust mods if they are not over the top and you are driving with some brains. Drive like a d#*khead and they will use it against you.

Exactly right mate,they tend to pick on p-platers in there jap crap as opposed to nice sounding V8's and because they are usually driving like peanuts.

[Hunter]

I think the noise regs are important... I don't want some try hard with a fart canon or some idiot who ripped his mufflers off for the 'fuly seec' sound to come past my house at 3 am and wake me up. I couldn't care less how loud race cars are but seriously on a road car I think people should have some consideration for others.

To Fart Canons - Australia says NO.

[FORD3V]

Originally Posted by Hunter

I think the noise regs are important... I don't want some try hard with a fart canon or some idiot who ripped his mufflers off for the 'fuly seec' sound to come past my house at 3 am and wake me up. I couldn't care less how loud race cars are but seriously on a road car I think people should have some consideration for others.

To Fart Canons - Australia says NO.

Fart canons are usualy found on fully sick 4's and 6's and I agree sound pathetic,but the louder a V8 is the better,I dont care if I get woken up by a roaring V8 at 3 in the morning,I just lie there and think geez that sounds good and I wish it was me giving mine a bit of a squirt.