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So I was browsing around Carpoint earlier, and came across an article covering the presence of Hybrid/electric vehicles in Australia.
Now I knew the Holdent Volt was coming. As a Toyota sales manager, I understand how hard it is to 'sell' Hybrid and Electric technology. Toyota have been doing it for years, and whilst it is becoming easier than in the past, it is still difficult. Read here for a snippet on the Holden Volt: Quote:
Since then, the Prius has been repriced as a result of the Lexus CT200h coming into the market. It now sells for mid $30s, still dear, but far more realistic. So then to suggest that the Holden Volt will sell for $59,990? Man there is a lot of vehicles out there you can buy for that money. Is this really a justifiable cost for the technology? I had a look on carsales to find a Lexus CT200h 2012 no km's at $43,888 drive away. Sure it might have technology, but is it going to net you a far better result whilst still having a domestic rather than luxury badge? As for the thread title, this is just one of those situations I look forward to seeing the Holden faithful by it simply because it's a Holden badge.
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Its going to be interesting, cant see that price staying for long.
If the gov jumps on this and not EB4/LPi then I will be spitting chips.
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when people say holden faithful i think of a hrt shirt wearing v8 supercar fan. i dont think they will buy this car en masse and i dont think they are the target market. businesses and government fleets might buy it instead of your prius or camry hybrid and instead of the smaller mitsubishi imiev.
it will have no effect on how people feel about the commodore or hsv offerings so in my opinion it isnt a test of faith but a strengthening of the brands options for consumers. |
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Holden probably has the bottom of the bottom of the class vehicle in every class its in and people still buy them, that badge has massive appeal. |
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![]() Also happens in reverse. I worked with a guy who bought a secondhand Daewoo. It must be a good car because Holden sell Daewoos with Holden badges on them. |
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I think Holden have said they will be looking to sell around 200 a year of the Volt, and they will lose money on everyone they sell. They are selling them soley as a way to brainwash the sheep into believing they are green. Just look at the Volt commercials, they make out like they designed and built the thing. Scary thing is that most brain dead Holden lovers probably believe it. ![]() |
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Be a little more cynical.
I think the majority of people on this board will relate to what I'm saying.
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Holden faithful is less likely to 'test' the alternatives, so get the Holden option.
hence the Cruze being so popular. "had a Commodore, wanted something cheaper to run, Cruze fits"
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if that is true it is just sad. i doubt both of your sweeping generalisations are true about holden buyers though.
otherwise how do you explain all the different makes of cars in a v8 supercar event carpark when there is only two makes on the track? |
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Climb out from under that rock and look around.
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I too have a Holden Cruze story within the family, I gave them all the info on the new focus, was objective about the specifications and comparison but at the end of the day most people dont give a fat rats...the cruze won because a friend was a Holden fan and that was that..+1 to the Cruze. The fact that it sells the way it does shows how much more brand equity Holden has... They pump the market full of BS so everyone believes the hype. If they slowed down their spin I am confident the sales would fall (after a fair amount of time though...1-2 years?). But they wont stop...they advertised this gimmick of a car well before its release. This is the main difference between Holden and Ford, I guess we will see which strategy becomes "right".
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Its interesting the engine is being used as a generator and not connected to wheels. Like in lots of modern ships engines make power for an electric engine that turns the props.
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i.e. The reverse of how you are saying the Volt operates, which is how the first Prius operated. |
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too spensive for this little black duck........and it wouldn't tow the van
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Theres no way on this earth you would ever surely get the addition cost to go electric Vs a petrol/diesel of the same calibre unless you owned it for your life time Some medium sized diesel powered cars are getting 5 ish L/100 Ks Cant see the value in electric,never will, they want people to go green, give people incentives dont rip a hole in their pocket |
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But I'd like to know how suddenly the weight of the car no longer matters. "motor-cum-generator" - Someone's been searching the wrong stuff on their work laptop... ![]() |
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Federal and State Greens will all be driving them by the end of the year
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Some people will buy it because its cool and trendy...whether it makes financial or environmental sense won't matter to them.
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If I had the coin I would contemplate a volt.
Imo its less about fuel economy and more about helping the technology evolve. If it wasn't for the early adopters paying big money then very little would happen in the way technological advances. I think those that buy them should be applauded not derided. |
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